Is Virgin Mary a good 'feminist' figure?

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^^Anyone who enforces others to stop believing in God are Antithiests and/or Mysothiests (sorry, don't know how to spell this.

And anyone who persecutes those who are not Christian are Anti-UnChristians (Seriously, Jesus wants EVERYone to get along! Is this Christian Supremacy thing what he really wanted?)

^^Anyone who enforces others to stop believing in God are Antithiests and/or Mysothiests (sorry, don't know how to spell this.

And anyone who persecutes those who are not Christian are Anti-UnChristians (Seriously, Jesus wants EVERYone to get along! Is this Christian Supremacy thing what he really wanted?)

(Back to the OP) You have to realize that that was a dangerous time to be a pregnant unwed (virgin/young)woman (risking stoning, etc.). The Bible story has Joseph luckily turning out to be a good guy, but Mary would've had brass ovaries to go through with carrying/birthing Jesus. She is actually asked and consenting in the Bible, and this can be seen as strong spirituality over the ways of society.

this sort of icons are so broad and vague that most people print on them what they want to – then we can have so many diverse christian interpretations. in latin america there is a huge catholic-maxst thing (liberation theology), and the whole concept of jesus as a left-wing guy is sort of common. actually, my first contact with feminism was in the catholic church, which included a pro-choice favorable discussion on abortion.

mary is a relevant figure, although she mostly represents a traditional female role, but there is a small component of deviance by her own time standard. and people can diminish or enlarge this depending on their own beliefs.

I'm a bad, bad man...
And lovin' it...

According to the "Infant Gospel of Thomas" Jesus was a real brat. Gave Dennis the Menace a run for his money. And was indeed a handful. He even once accidently killed a playmate by throwing the other kid off of the roof! But then he brought his playmate back to life. Gradually the kid Jesus "got it" (that his powers were supposed to be used for good). Don't know about his mom's housework, but he did hear cursing when when his carpenter dad cut a board too short, so the boy Jesus grabbed the board, and magically stretched the board back to being the right longer length.

Unfortunately the Infant Gospel of Thomas was one of the many books cut out of the canonical Bible. Too bad. Its seems like it would be a fun read!

I quite agree. Anyone who would do such a reprehensible thing cannae be called a true scotsman neither!

Who can blame him? What kid wouldn't play with his super powers? I probably would have killed a few of my childhood friends too if I knew I could harmlessly resurrect them and we could laugh about it afterwards.

Either that or Mary got impregnated by a man other than her fiancé. Whether it happened consensually or not, back in those days she would have taken the flack for it so perhaps Mary crafted an elaborate lie to save herself from death by stoning after she found herself pregnant as a result being raped or cheating on Joseph.

If Mary cheated on her fiancé then it would certainly put a new spin on the "ever virgin mary" gimmick.

We really have no idea what happened. People wouldn’t just believe such a story because she told them. Whatever the actual events were, someone decades later found it convenient for whatever reason to write a tale others kept tweaking for centuries to serve their own interests, till it reached us.

Yep.....that's probably true....

Okay just to clarify, I don't think God raped Mary. That's a bit much.

And yes Mary was consulted before becoming pregnant.

People can believe what they want. To me any religious, spiritual or philosophical text is open to interpretation and is not to be taken literally.

I do want to add that it tends to be single mothers in non western communities that see her as an inspiration. Mainly for the 'suffering and surviving' aspect.

I think single mothers deserve more than just suffering and surviving.

Last edited by RetroGamer87 on 11 Mar 2018, 6:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

So ancient people wouldn't believe a fantastic story just because it was told to them?
If that was true then ancient religions never would have existed.

Don’t miss the subject of that clause: people wouldn’t believe Mary’s story just because she told them. As in, she, the woman about to be stoned to death by an enraged, Bronze-Age crowd to whom the idea of women’s rights, particularly regarding their own body and sexuality, are an unthinkable aberration against the natural order of things. In their minds, of course she’d say that! It’s a far cry from having a whole caste of highly respected priests charged with educating the people’s children tell the same tale as part of the curriculum. Who tells the story makes all the difference.