Is the March For Our Lives movement unstoppable?

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30 Mar 2018, 8:24 pm

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These people were paid and all their transportation paid for too as well as living accommodations by two billionaires who hate guns and freedom. They don’t even know why they’re marching, what laws they want or how the laws being proposed work or do.

I’ll post the interview video here later.
It’s ignorant and blindly following what they told. It’s sad this is how the Nazis came into power people just blindly followed them.


Listen "Sly", you cannot equate "guns" with "freedom". That's just a stupid thing to do. You do know, do you not, that MANY nations today are free in spite of the fact that there are very stringent controls on who can buy a gun, and under what circumstances within those nations. A short list: Denmark, France, England, New Zealand, Australia, Japan...

"That's how the Nazis came to power" - The Nazis came to power because stupid people believed in moronic conspiracy theories about the Jews, communists, and other "undesirables". They came to power because of the economic situation in Germany at the time, because of the crash of 29, because people - far, far too many of them - are too bloody lazy to think for themselves. They came to power because Germany lost the First World War, and many wanted revenge against the British and French. There were many reasons, but your "reason" was not one of them.


I'm not going to play this game "professionally" anymore. I'm not going to be submissive to people's mocking of my beliefs anymore.

I can't stand you for mocking Sly or anybody else. We'll just wait to see if it can be your turn someday.



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30 Mar 2018, 8:37 pm

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I'm not going to play this game "professionally" anymore. I'm not going to be submissive to people's mocking of my beliefs anymore.

I can't stand you for mocking Sly or anybody else. We'll just wait to see if it can be your turn someday.


Sly played the Hitler card against some people who wanted gun control.

... meanwhile, people who compare Trump to Hitler receive mockery.

It's not wrong to mock people who toss around the Hitler card willy-nilly. How do I know this? The conservatives told me.


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30 Mar 2018, 10:43 pm

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Responding to the title alone, I'd say "don't hold your breath". At the ancient age of 30, I am old enough to remember the 99% marches. They accomplished precisely sod all, despite all the media coverage.


Yup, protests and marches for civil rights and for disabled rights and gay rights never changed anything.

A true student of history, right here. :lol:


How sure are you that it was the protests that actually changed policy? There is always a lot more going on behind the scenes than "people take to the streets and politicians listen". Protests are nothing more than a piss in the ocean compared to the media machine and the commentariat, which holds enormous power - though not quite as much power as the lobbyists exercise. Protesting is to politics as prayer is to medicine.


If you want to learn an example of how protest led to real change in American lives, read up on the Americans with Disabilities Act and the protests and community organization that preceded it being signed into law in 1990. Protest is a common precursor to social change, when politicians can no longer deny the issues that obviously matter so much to their constituents that they are willing to get out in the streets and protest about them. You can't deny history.

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31 Mar 2018, 2:33 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Responding to the title alone, I'd say "don't hold your breath". At the ancient age of 30, I am old enough to remember the 99% marches. They accomplished precisely sod all, despite all the media coverage.


Yup, protests and marches for civil rights and for disabled rights and gay rights never changed anything.

A true student of history, right here. :lol:


How sure are you that it was the protests that actually changed policy? There is always a lot more going on behind the scenes than "people take to the streets and politicians listen". Protests are nothing more than a piss in the ocean compared to the media machine and the commentariat, which holds enormous power - though not quite as much power as the lobbyists exercise. Protesting is to politics as prayer is to medicine.


If you want to learn an example of how protest led to real change in American lives, read up on the Americans with Disabilities Act and the protests and community organization that preceded it being signed into law in 1990. Protest is a common precursor to social change, when politicians can no longer deny the issues that obviously matter so much to their constituents that they are willing to get out in the streets and protest about them. You can't deny history.

https://dredf.org/about-us/publications ... f-the-ada/


I stand corrected. I had forgotten of course about the protests against the Iraq war, that forced the government to cease hostilities and George Bush and Tony Blair immediately stepped down in shame. The aforementioned 99% protests actually brought down the government, destroyed the elite and redistributed the wealth of the 1% to the deserving poor. Don't forget the Westboro Baptist Church, convincing the government that God does indeed hate fags, which made them reconsider the legal status of homosexuality. In other news, prayer cures cancer. It's not the doctors, it's not huge wealth of medical expertise and technology, it's not the money funding all these things, it's not the support staff that surround the patient every step of the way. It's prayer.


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01 Apr 2018, 3:30 am

Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454



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01 Apr 2018, 3:53 am

Mikah wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Mikah wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Responding to the title alone, I'd say "don't hold your breath". At the ancient age of 30, I am old enough to remember the 99% marches. They accomplished precisely sod all, despite all the media coverage.


Yup, protests and marches for civil rights and for disabled rights and gay rights never changed anything.

A true student of history, right here. :lol:


How sure are you that it was the protests that actually changed policy? There is always a lot more going on behind the scenes than "people take to the streets and politicians listen". Protests are nothing more than a piss in the ocean compared to the media machine and the commentariat, which holds enormous power - though not quite as much power as the lobbyists exercise. Protesting is to politics as prayer is to medicine.


If you want to learn an example of how protest led to real change in American lives, read up on the Americans with Disabilities Act and the protests and community organization that preceded it being signed into law in 1990. Protest is a common precursor to social change, when politicians can no longer deny the issues that obviously matter so much to their constituents that they are willing to get out in the streets and protest about them. You can't deny history.

https://dredf.org/about-us/publications ... f-the-ada/


I stand corrected. I had forgotten of course about the protests against the Iraq war, that forced the government to cease hostilities and George Bush and Tony Blair immediately stepped down in shame. The aforementioned 99% protests actually brought down the government, destroyed the elite and redistributed the wealth of the 1% to the deserving poor. Don't forget the Westboro Baptist Church, convincing the government that God does indeed hate fags, which made them reconsider the legal status of homosexuality. In other news, prayer cures cancer. It's not the doctors, it's not huge wealth of medical expertise and technology, it's not the money funding all these things, it's not the support staff that surround the patient every step of the way. It's prayer.


"Sure there are a bunch of times in history when protest was effective, but I can think of one instance that it wasn't therefore it is never worth our time to bother protesting."

Solid reasoning I can't possibly refute.



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01 Apr 2018, 12:46 pm

sly279 wrote:
Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454


Really? Where's the hate in Hogg's rallies? As for anger, one would expect someone who's endured similar experiences might be justifiably angry. Many of his opponents sure seem to seethe with hatred towards him, but that's the only hate I've seen so far.


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01 Apr 2018, 12:55 pm

sly279 wrote:
Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454

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Are you freaking serious m8?

First of all, you used the wrong from of "were".
Second, are you saying that anyone who makes passionate, angry rants is a fascist?

By you own logic, the following people are/were fascists.

- Nostalgia Critic
- George Carlin
- Maddox
- The Amazing Atheist
- Mysterious Mr. Enter
- Mike MacDonald
- Nick Hodges
- Your Movie Sucks


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01 Apr 2018, 12:58 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454


Really? Where's the hate in Hogg's rallies? As for anger, one would expect someone who's endured similar experiences might be justifiably angry. Many of his opponents sure seem to seethe with hatred towards him, but that's the only hate I've seen so far.


When people are genuinely concerned with their own personal safety, that isn't hate. It's survival.


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DarthMetaKnight wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454


Really? Where's the hate in Hogg's rallies? As for anger, one would expect someone who's endured similar experiences might be justifiably angry. Many of his opponents sure seem to seethe with hatred towards him, but that's the only hate I've seen so far.


When people are genuinely concerned with their own personal safety, that isn't hate. It's survival.


Further, when people aren't expressing hate, merely genuine and serious concern that most certainly isn't hate and insisting it is amounts to little more than dishonesty or hysteria (take your pick).


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02 Apr 2018, 6:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Found this on Facebook
Hogg’s rally’s are similar to hitlers, both we’re passionate hate filled angry rants.
https://www.facebook.com/militaryarms/p ... 3361106454


Really? Where's the hate in Hogg's rallies? As for anger, one would expect someone who's endured similar experiences might be justifiably angry. Many of his opponents sure seem to seethe with hatred towards him, but that's the only hate I've seen so far.

Where isn’t the hate at his rallies. He’s nothing but hateful towards gun owners. You just support hating gun owners so don’t see anything wrong with it. Every video I see he’s attacking gun owners or older people, cursing left and right calling them names, saying they’re too stupid to understand democracy even though he too stupid to know we aren’t a democracy. He’s very hateful. He says we are evil and child murders. He’s nothing but a left leaning extremist and if you say anything different your part of the problem. He’s certainly not from the center or center left. Extremist shouldn’t be given air time.
Why are the the other survivors, and the ones who actually got shot being ignored? They don’t support gun control. Or at least not to the extreme level he and his friends do.

Sorry being angry at 100 million people who didn’t do nothing to yiu and hating them and demanding they be punished isn’t justifiable, so it’s no surprise most the other survivors aren’t pushing for gun control, feel ignored and not represented.

But it’s totally expected the left would ignore actual survivors and victims if they do t push the lefts agenda.

Again your fine with gun owners being slander, insulted, attacked, having their life’s threaten so you don’t see those things as hate. Well as a gun Owner I feel his hate towards me as to many others gun owners.
You sound like someone who’s simi racist saying they don’t see hate from racist groups.

[quote]The pathetic f***ers that want to keep killing our children, they could have blood from children splattered all over their faces and they wouldn’t take action because they all still see those dollar signs,” Hogg said before describing the “exhaustion” he’s experienced as a result of his month-long stint as a political activist.

“At this point its like when your old-a** parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage’ and you’re like, ‘Ok give me the f***ing phone’ and you take it and you get it done in one second. Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government because our parents don’t know how to use a f***ing democracy so we have to do it.”[/quote ]

Yep nothing hateful about calling me and others pathetic f****ers and saying with kids bloods on our face we wouldn’t care and only care about money. F**k money , it’s about our liberty and rights. Not money. He paints as as horrible demons who control everything

Sound like hitler post ww1 ? He wasn’t hateful either they said he’s just angry after losing the war. Jews sure rightfully felt hated.
Hogg hates gun owners, he despises us, he sees as a scapegoat to use to gain power and fame. He wants to be a politician sees this as his path to a career.
He hasn’t even reached to victims or their families apparently. He pushes away any of his classmates who disagree. He wants anyone that disagrees with him silenced and calls them idiots who don’t know how to use democracy cause they disagree with him. Others are angry but they aren’t up on a stage pushing hate, they aren’t touring every single left leaning media show to spout hate. I’m so tired of him. He just wants is 20 mins of fame.
I want to hear more from the other survivors. You know the ones who are in the middle or pro gun.
Also I’m autistic and even I know you don’t curse or be disrespectful on National television. Cursing is only for at home or out causally with friends.

How would you feel if someone said you’re a pathetic f**er who’s an idiot and can’t understand how to use a f**king democracy. Would you feel hated?

Mean if one of us did that here we’d be banned for hateful speech



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02 Apr 2018, 8:04 pm

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These people were paid and all their transportation paid for too as well as living accommodations by two billionaires who hate guns and freedom. They don’t even know why they’re marching, what laws they want or how the laws being proposed work or do.

I’ll post the interview video here later.
It’s ignorant and blindly following what they told. It’s sad this is how the Nazis came into power people just blindly followed them.


Listen "Sly", you cannot equate "guns" with "freedom". That's just a stupid thing to do. You do know, do you not, that MANY nations today are free in spite of the fact that there are very stringent controls on who can buy a gun, and under what circumstances within those nations. A short list: Denmark, France, England, New Zealand, Australia, Japan...

"That's how the Nazis came to power" - The Nazis came to power because stupid people believed in moronic conspiracy theories about the Jews, communists, and other "undesirables". They came to power because of the economic situation in Germany at the time, because of the crash of 29, because people - far, far too many of them - are too bloody lazy to think for themselves. They came to power because Germany lost the First World War, and many wanted revenge against the British and French. There were many reasons, but your "reason" was not one of them.


I'm not going to play this game "professionally" anymore. I'm not going to be submissive to people's mocking of my beliefs anymore.

I can't stand you for mocking Sly or anybody else. We'll just wait to see if it can be your turn someday.


Yes, I was mocking his beliefs, because they deserve to be mocked. What he was saying was just utterly ridiculous. He seems to think that if a nation does not allow its citizens to possess firearms to the extent they do in the USA, then those nations are not free. That's just stupid, there's no other way to put it.



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02 Apr 2018, 8:27 pm

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Where isn’t the hate at his rallies. He’s nothing but hateful towards gun owners. You just support hating gun owners so don’t see anything wrong with it. Every video I see he’s attacking gun owners or older people, cursing left and right calling them names, saying they’re too stupid to understand democracy even though he too stupid to know we aren’t a democracy. He’s very hateful. He says we are evil and child murders. He’s nothing but a left leaning extremist and if you say anything different your part of the problem. He’s certainly not from the center or center left. Extremist shouldn’t be given air time.
Why are the the other survivors, and the ones who actually got shot being ignored? They don’t support gun control. Or at least not to the extreme level he and his friends do.

Sorry being angry at 100 million people who didn’t do nothing to yiu and hating them and demanding they be punished isn’t justifiable, so it’s no surprise most the other survivors aren’t pushing for gun control, feel ignored and not represented.

But it’s totally expected the left would ignore actual survivors and victims if they do t push the lefts agenda.

Again your fine with gun owners being slander, insulted, attacked, having their life’s threaten so you don’t see those things as hate. Well as a gun Owner I feel his hate towards me as to many others gun owners.
You sound like someone who’s simi racist saying they don’t see hate from racist groups.

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The pathetic f***ers that want to keep killing our children, they could have blood from children splattered all over their faces and they wouldn’t take action because they all still see those dollar signs,” Hogg said before describing the “exhaustion” he’s experienced as a result of his month-long stint as a political activist.

“At this point its like when your old-a** parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage’ and you’re like, ‘Ok give me the f***ing phone’ and you take it and you get it done in one second. Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government because our parents don’t know how to use a f***ing democracy so we have to do it.”[/quote ]

Yep nothing hateful about calling me and others pathetic f****ers and saying with kids bloods on our face we wouldn’t care and only care about money. F**k money , it’s about our liberty and rights. Not money. He paints as as horrible demons who control everything

Sound like hitler post ww1 ? He wasn’t hateful either they said he’s just angry after losing the war. Jews sure rightfully felt hated.
Hogg hates gun owners, he despises us, he sees as a scapegoat to use to gain power and fame. He wants to be a politician sees this as his path to a career.
He hasn’t even reached to victims or their families apparently. He pushes away any of his classmates who disagree. He wants anyone that disagrees with him silenced and calls them idiots who don’t know how to use democracy cause they disagree with him. Others are angry but they aren’t up on a stage pushing hate, they aren’t touring every single left leaning media show to spout hate. I’m so tired of him. He just wants is 20 mins of fame.
I want to hear more from the other survivors. You know the ones who are in the middle or pro gun.
Also I’m autistic and even I know you don’t curse or be disrespectful on National television. Cursing is only for at home or out causally with friends.

How would you feel if someone said you’re a pathetic f**er who’s an idiot and can’t understand how to use a f**king democracy. Would you feel hated?

Mean if one of us did that here we’d be banned for hateful speech


Okay. I have a confession to make. Sly seems to be, at least partially, right about David Hogg. What Hogg said was pretty hyperbolic.

To be fair, Hogg is still just a kid who recently came out of high school. I doubt that he has been properly red-pilled yet. When I was in high school, I only saw politics in terms of political parties. I never really become interested in politics until I learned about Noam Chomsky and began to see beyond party lines.

Was Hogg talking about the NRA or gun owners in general? The NRA is vile organisation that certainly has blood on its hands, but not all gun owners are like the NRA. Not all gun owners respect the NRA. That's something that all leftists need to recall.

Perhaps Hogg (and lefties in general) need to look beyond the guns and recognize that there are other factors at work here.

I have a certain degree of respect for pro-gun leftists such as The Huey P. Newton Gun Club and Redneck Revolt. At least they have a solution to the problem of gun violence. A society with a more compassionate economic structure would likely have fewer murders in general.

That being said, I have very little respect for the gun-crazy right-wingers, since they have no solution for the gun violence problem at all. Every "solution" that they propose is either nonsense or absolute horses**t.

There are many factors which contribute to gun violence, but the Republican Party contributes to every single one of them.


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02 Apr 2018, 8:59 pm

I don't mind them protesting as long as they do it on the weekends when school isn't in session because education is just as important as peace.


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