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30 Mar 2018, 11:25 pm

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Yes, not only is it overrated... It's a poor understanding of radical politics. It fails to grasp the core of what makes the right the right and the left left.

Are you going to tell us the core of what makes the right right and the left left?

To put it simply; the left to its core is anti-authoritarian. The radical left opposes social hierarchies; because social inequities limit the freedom and development of people as individuals.

Under capitalism, a class of people control our means of subsistence. Because of this, most people are forced spent most of their lives under the boots of business bureaucracy.

Right "libertarians" have no concern for the loss of autonomy, and the resulting alienation under the capitalist wage system.

What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

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30 Mar 2018, 11:59 pm

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It bothers me how common this is. If I disagree with a right winger I'm automatically an SJW and if I disagree with a left winger I'm automatically a bigot.

And both sides call each other Nazis.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:01 am

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Yes, not only is it overrated... It's a poor understanding of radical politics. It fails to grasp the core of what makes the right the right and the left left.

Are you going to tell us the core of what makes the right right and the left left?

To put it simply; the left to its core is anti-authoritarian. The radical left opposes social hierarchies; because social inequities limit the freedom and development of people as individuals.

That sounds about right. The left is anti-authoritarian while the right just pretends to be anti-authoritarian.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:05 am

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Why avoid global warming? A warmer Earth is a more productive Earth. The disaster is not warming, it is cooling.

Rapid warming and rapid cooling would both cause millions of dollars in property damage and take thousands of lives.

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When this warm period of our current ice age ends and we begin the next glaciation, the climate is going to get much colder, possibly very quickly. There will be massive food shortages that are completely unavoidable. Starvation will become the norm. The only thing that might cause more deaths than starvation will be the many wars over the rapidly dwindling amount of resources.

Anyone who isn't deadly afraid of cooling knows nothing.

The last ice age ended 11,000 years ago. The previous interglacial period lasted 28,000 years.

Gadzooks! The earth is going to freeze over in 17,000 years! The horror!

Too bad the Industrial Revolution didn't happen around the year 29,000 AD. The global warming and the next ice age would have cancelled each other out quite nicely.

But since we're in the middle of a warm period that means adding extra heat on top of that is going to cause the two to reinforce each other.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:08 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

The right has far greater authoritarian tendencies. Notice how the most democratic countries in the modern West are European social democracies. Today, most people who acknowledge the reality of American plutocracy are lefties.

Only the most extreme lefties want to completely abolish private property.

Price controls and wage controls ensure that people receive a living wage.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:08 am

Daniel89 wrote:

What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

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There's one thing that seems nearly universal. It doesn't matter whether someone on the far left tries to describe the right or someone on the far right tries to describe left, their entire analysis is nonsense. Neither side understands the other well enough to say anything that is at all accurate.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Yes I see what you mean about what happens when one side tries to describe the other side.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:12 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

Hey! Being controlled by authoritarian corporations is ok so long as we're not being controlled by the government!

Only the government is a threat to free speech. It's not like there's such a thing as corporate censorship.

/sarcasm

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31 Mar 2018, 12:22 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

In what way does the right have more authoritarian tendencies?

Right now in the western world it is the left that wants to take away peoples rights. Its the left who support imprisoning people for tweets.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:24 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

Private companies cannot kill you, private companies cannot take away your children, private companies cannot imprison you.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:26 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

kokopelli wrote:

Yes I see what you mean about what happens when one side tries to describe the other side.

Like you did here

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That sounds about right. The left is anti-authoritarian while the right just pretends to be anti-authoritarian.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:29 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn :lol:

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31 Mar 2018, 12:32 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn :lol:

I don't understand that reference. But here in the UK we have people being arrested for tweets we have the police targeting right wing people arresting them for lending family members money.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:35 am

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

Private companies cannot kill you, private companies cannot take away your children, private companies cannot imprison you.

They can't kill you. They can just make you wish you were dead.

Honestly, I'm not against corporations. Some of my favourite products were made by corporations. The modern world would be impossible without corporations. I just don't want them left to run amok.

Left unchecked, they can become as bad as a corrupt government. Being overworked and underpaid by a corporation is very much like being overworked and underpaid by a socialist government. I wouldn't want to live through either of those scenarios.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:40 am

Daniel89 wrote:

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What utter nonsense. The left is also authoritarian, they are against free speech, freedom to own property, in favour of price controls and wage controls.

If you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn :lol:

I don't understand that reference. But here in the UK we have people being arrested for tweets we have the police targeting right wing people arresting them for lending family members money.

Don't you guys have a Tory government at the moment? If that's the case than the British right isn't doing much to protect free speech.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:45 am

The worst things in history have been carried out by government not private companies.

Companies can behave immorally however they do not have a monopoly on power like government does. If a company behaves in an immoral way we can still choose to boycott them we cannot boycott the government.

I think the vast majority of people support regulations on companies but at a certain point it becomes oppressive.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:47 am

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Don't you guys have a Tory government at the moment? If that's the case than the British right isn't doing much to protect free speech.

The conservative party only cares about protecting the interests of the upper class and maintaining power. They do not value free speech either.

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