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27 Apr 2018, 11:13 am
I might add - as a male in a world of males, in plenty of work places and other environments there are a lot of males where the moment they smell the slightest sense of weakness they'll want to take an ax to your neck as fast as possible whether it's getting you fired from your job or just dominating you till you leave.
That's perhaps a good example of not just how insidious the effects of ASD are and the danger they put men in with respect to other men but also I think this also speaks in part to how respectable he is - and a good portion of that is also whether women will respect him, and if they don't there are plenty who will decide, much like the types of men I mentioned earlier, that he's a paint-huffing loser or a sluggard and needs to vanish (from that workplace or social environment) as fast as possible by any means necessary. My dealings with these sorts of women have often been harrowing because just one mistake, one, and they've got you on the kill list the same as the guys mentioned above and in either case it's extremely difficult to reverse that momentum or your status on that list if you've found your way onto it.
Also I think people make a huge categorical error when they say 'Oh yeah - those are conservatives. I can't stand them'. They're actually something else entirely as far as I can tell; people who are behaving the way we all naturally are wired to behave if certain kinds of life-lessons don't interfere with our biology of if conditions we're in, contrary to that, elevate our animal impulses as weapons rather than sublimating them through a strong network of ingrained morality. Also anytime people find such behavior to be an asset rather than a hindrance or a cause of punishment they'll keep it and hone it as a working tool set for getting what they want in life. That would mean they're a permanent part of the social landscape because they're a matter of inevitable conditions.
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27 Apr 2018, 4:17 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I might add - as a male in a world of males, in plenty of work places and other environments there are a lot of males where the moment they smell the slightest sense of weakness they'll want to take an ax to your neck as fast as possible whether it's getting you fired from your job or just dominating you till you leave.
That's perhaps a good example of not just how insidious the effects of ASD are and the danger they put men in with respect to other men but also I think this also speaks in part to how respectable he is - and a good portion of that is also whether women will respect him, and if they don't there are plenty who will decide, much like the types of men I mentioned earlier, that he's a paint-huffing loser or a sluggard and needs to vanish (from that workplace or social environment) as fast as possible by any means necessary. My dealings with these sorts of women have often been harrowing because just one mistake, one, and they've got you on the kill list the same as the guys mentioned above and in either case it's extremely difficult to reverse that momentum or your status on that list if you've found your way onto it.
Also I think people make a huge categorical error when they say 'Oh yeah - those are conservatives. I can't stand them'. They're actually something else entirely as far as I can tell; people who are behaving the way we all naturally are wired to behave if certain kinds of life-lessons don't interfere with our biology of if conditions we're in, contrary to that, elevate our animal impulses as weapons rather than sublimating them through a strong network of ingrained morality. Also anytime people find such behavior to be an asset rather than a hindrance or a cause of punishment they'll keep it and hone it as a working tool set for getting what they want in life. That would mean they're a permanent part of the social landscape because they're a matter of inevitable conditions.
That's perhaps a good example of not just how insidious the effects of ASD are and the danger they put men in with respect to other men but also I think this also speaks in part to how respectable he is - and a good portion of that is also whether women will respect him, and if they don't there are plenty who will decide, much like the types of men I mentioned earlier, that he's a paint-huffing loser or a sluggard and needs to vanish (from that workplace or social environment) as fast as possible by any means necessary. My dealings with these sorts of women have often been harrowing because just one mistake, one, and they've got you on the kill list the same as the guys mentioned above and in either case it's extremely difficult to reverse that momentum or your status on that list if you've found your way onto it.
Also I think people make a huge categorical error when they say 'Oh yeah - those are conservatives. I can't stand them'. They're actually something else entirely as far as I can tell; people who are behaving the way we all naturally are wired to behave if certain kinds of life-lessons don't interfere with our biology of if conditions we're in, contrary to that, elevate our animal impulses as weapons rather than sublimating them through a strong network of ingrained morality. Also anytime people find such behavior to be an asset rather than a hindrance or a cause of punishment they'll keep it and hone it as a working tool set for getting what they want in life. That would mean they're a permanent part of the social landscape because they're a matter of inevitable conditions.
Yeah, just speaking from personal experience, but men are eternally testing other men for their "toughness."
Men could really use a gender revolution.
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27 Apr 2018, 5:37 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
ltcvnzl wrote:
in brazil, we don't have much of this style of violence (mass shootings unrelated to other crimes), but there was one case in 2011 that a guy got into a school and killed 12 people, whom 10 were girls aged around 11-14 years old. during the attack, he shoot the girls on the face, and for boy's legs or arms. it didn't get clear if he was connected to some group although there was some speculation connecting him to a misogynistic online group, also he nurtured some obsession with islam that came from his interest on violence/terrorism, he left a letter asking to be buried on some islamic tradition but there was also a lot of elements typical for pentecostalism, he also wrote how his attack was an answer for bullying and against coward people who took advantage of people's weakness.
the police stated that the case didn't had any political motivation. the guy clearly aim to kill girls and people seem to not be ready to understand how it is a political motivation. even if this motivation is backed by personal experience, when you decide to shoot as many as possible people from a certain group there is a huge political motivation over it. it's not some sort of passionate revenge (although analyzing the big picture, violence is highly "genderized").
i feel concerned this sort of crimes seems to get more and more often and it seems that more it happens, more it inspire others. this is a sad outcome of dehumanizing woman, which creates an unfulfilling sense of entitlement and lack of empathy, but also from a society which repress men to address and treat their frustrations openly.
the police stated that the case didn't had any political motivation. the guy clearly aim to kill girls and people seem to not be ready to understand how it is a political motivation. even if this motivation is backed by personal experience, when you decide to shoot as many as possible people from a certain group there is a huge political motivation over it. it's not some sort of passionate revenge (although analyzing the big picture, violence is highly "genderized").
i feel concerned this sort of crimes seems to get more and more often and it seems that more it happens, more it inspire others. this is a sad outcome of dehumanizing woman, which creates an unfulfilling sense of entitlement and lack of empathy, but also from a society which repress men to address and treat their frustrations openly.
This is certainly a case of radical islam (which is by default a genderized ideology), he shot the girls on the face probably because he thinks them as sinners for being unveiled.
he didn't came from any muslim background. so actually probably he looked for islam because he had some violent gender radicalism and wanted something to validate it.
27 Apr 2018, 5:47 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
Chronos wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Chronos wrote:
I see anti social male violence in general much like a sex linked disorder. Most males manage having a lot of testosterone just fine, but for a minority of males, in the presence of other factors, testosterone will prove to be a negative tipping point.
It probably is the testosterone that makes the difference. I remember Jordan Peterson recently saying that if you had two people in a room and you had to guess which one was more violent, one being male and one being female, the odds of the more aggressive being the male would be 60% - which isn't too far from 50% at normal levels but if the bell-curves taper off in the same shape it would make the third upward standard deviation almost all men.
Chronos wrote:
It reminds me of the practice of capping in "The White Mountain Trilogy". Most people responded to the capping just fine, but it caused some people to go insane and wander aimlessly.
We're sitting on top of a very gnarly 3.5 billion year old software stack. It seems to throw both genders more than their fair share of unhappy curve-balls and I get the impression quite a bit of it would be alien to what most of us would be consider resembling human persona.
I think there are a lot of things that stack on top of people. I haven't studied these guys, maybe I should to see if my guesses about them are right, but I'd figure that their lives were quite traumatic and singlehood and not having sex were sort of the symbolic albatross hung around their necks by other people.
While I think a lot of these men really are lonely and have rather understandable emotional needs for a romantic relationship, I think there is also the issue of the fact that obtaining a girlfriend and losing one's virginity is seen as a kind of litmus test of worthiness in many societies. A basic thing, that if a guy can't manage, indicates that something is seriously wrong with him (I personally do not hold such notions), and internalization of this notion is what makes rejection feel like such an epic threat to these men. I they see women like a trophy that attests to their value as a person. But then some of them are just pure narcissists who feel they are deserving and entitled to her.
Elliot Roger was a narcissist.
This is just my opinion, but, in my experience, men are more emotionally reliant on women than women are on men.
It's one of the reasons married men live longer than single men, but married women drop dead around the same age as single women. What increases a woman's lifespan are relationships with other women.
I have a hunch that it may be a factor in fueling the resentment.
I've heard some men cite longer female lifespans as a reason for some of their resentment or envy. Social isolation is known to shorten lifespans but females, on average, out live males across all demographics, social classes, and cultures when we adjust for death from unnatural, causes and childbirth, and life shortening sex linked disorders. Many researchers cite estrogen and testosterone. Estrogen, while carcinogenic, can convey cardiovascular protection, while testosterone can have detrimental effects on the cardiovascular system and is associated with higher incidents of hypertension and metabolic syndrome like type II diabetes because it hardens arteries and causes intra-abdominal accumulation of body fat. The physiological effects of testosterone that lead to these maladies are starting to appear in FTMs.
Interestingly, eunichs who were castrated before puberty have life spans, on average, similar to that of cis females while this protective effect is not seen after puberty, indicating that that changes to the body at puberty due to testosterone might set in motion a process that causes cardiovascular disease later in life even if testosterone is later withdrawn.
The way I see it is, nature has bartered a slight trade off. Nature has said to men "I'm going to take a few years off the end off your life and distribute that energy over the other years so you will be stronger and faster and have more stamina and endurance" and nature says to females "I'm going to try to make you live longer so you will be around to help raise yoyr grand children but it might end up killing you sooner or give you chronic health conditions.
Personally I don't thing 3-5 years at the very end of ones life is something to dwell on much. I don't know of many instances in that it was a happy 3-5 years.
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27 Apr 2018, 6:19 pm
Trying to use an interest in a religion to outweigh this public statement?
CBS news wrote:
"Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys. All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!" reads the post.
Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the public post, created under a profile on the social networking site belonging to an Alek Minassian that has since been deleted by the company.
Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the public post, created under a profile on the social networking site belonging to an Alek Minassian that has since been deleted by the company.
Or is it a declaration of war?
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27 Apr 2018, 6:33 pm
Chronos wrote:
I've heard some men cite longer female lifespans as a reason for some of their resentment or envy. Social isolation is known to shorten lifespans but females, on average, out live males across all demographics, social classes, and cultures when we adjust for death from unnatural, causes and childbirth, and life shortening sex linked disorders. Many researchers cite estrogen and testosterone. Estrogen, while carcinogenic, can convey cardiovascular protection, while testosterone can have detrimental effects on the cardiovascular system and is associated with higher incidents of hypertension and metabolic syndrome like type II diabetes because it hardens arteries and causes intra-abdominal accumulation of body fat. The physiological effects of testosterone that lead to these maladies are starting to appear in FTMs.
I do believe that this sort of tension of resentment/envy expressed might be connected to the "gendered"-fication of statistics and research. This is my personal theory.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
27 Apr 2018, 6:48 pm
ltcvnzl wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
ltcvnzl wrote:
in brazil, we don't have much of this style of violence (mass shootings unrelated to other crimes), but there was one case in 2011 that a guy got into a school and killed 12 people, whom 10 were girls aged around 11-14 years old. during the attack, he shoot the girls on the face, and for boy's legs or arms. it didn't get clear if he was connected to some group although there was some speculation connecting him to a misogynistic online group, also he nurtured some obsession with islam that came from his interest on violence/terrorism, he left a letter asking to be buried on some islamic tradition but there was also a lot of elements typical for pentecostalism, he also wrote how his attack was an answer for bullying and against coward people who took advantage of people's weakness.
the police stated that the case didn't had any political motivation. the guy clearly aim to kill girls and people seem to not be ready to understand how it is a political motivation. even if this motivation is backed by personal experience, when you decide to shoot as many as possible people from a certain group there is a huge political motivation over it. it's not some sort of passionate revenge (although analyzing the big picture, violence is highly "genderized").
i feel concerned this sort of crimes seems to get more and more often and it seems that more it happens, more it inspire others. this is a sad outcome of dehumanizing woman, which creates an unfulfilling sense of entitlement and lack of empathy, but also from a society which repress men to address and treat their frustrations openly.
the police stated that the case didn't had any political motivation. the guy clearly aim to kill girls and people seem to not be ready to understand how it is a political motivation. even if this motivation is backed by personal experience, when you decide to shoot as many as possible people from a certain group there is a huge political motivation over it. it's not some sort of passionate revenge (although analyzing the big picture, violence is highly "genderized").
i feel concerned this sort of crimes seems to get more and more often and it seems that more it happens, more it inspire others. this is a sad outcome of dehumanizing woman, which creates an unfulfilling sense of entitlement and lack of empathy, but also from a society which repress men to address and treat their frustrations openly.
This is certainly a case of radical islam (which is by default a genderized ideology), he shot the girls on the face probably because he thinks them as sinners for being unveiled.
he didn't came from any muslim background. so actually probably he looked for islam because he had some violent gender radicalism and wanted something to validate it.
I read an article that said that ISIS attracts violent men or men with violent urges...I suppose as opposed to making muslim men violent.
27 Apr 2018, 6:53 pm
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Chronos wrote:
I've heard some men cite longer female lifespans as a reason for some of their resentment or envy. Social isolation is known to shorten lifespans but females, on average, out live males across all demographics, social classes, and cultures when we adjust for death from unnatural, causes and childbirth, and life shortening sex linked disorders. Many researchers cite estrogen and testosterone. Estrogen, while carcinogenic, can convey cardiovascular protection, while testosterone can have detrimental effects on the cardiovascular system and is associated with higher incidents of hypertension and metabolic syndrome like type II diabetes because it hardens arteries and causes intra-abdominal accumulation of body fat. The physiological effects of testosterone that lead to these maladies are starting to appear in FTMs.
I do believe that this sort of tension of resentment/envy expressed might be connected to the "gendered"-fication of statistics and research. This is my personal theory.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
Venting frustration is fine and talking about men's issues is fine but misogyny isn't. I've illustrated before how one can vent frustrations with dating and romantic relationships with being misogynistic or misandristic.
27 Apr 2018, 6:57 pm
jrjones9933 wrote:
Trying to use an interest in a religion to outweigh this public statement?
Or is it a declaration of war?
CBS news wrote:
"Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys. All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!" reads the post.
Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the public post, created under a profile on the social networking site belonging to an Alek Minassian that has since been deleted by the company.
Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the public post, created under a profile on the social networking site belonging to an Alek Minassian that has since been deleted by the company.
Or is it a declaration of war?
It might not be readily apparent but these guys also hate other men who have had the success they have not, or who aren't phased by a few instances of rejection. It makes me wonder, if an incel finally has success with the ladies do the others turn on him?
27 Apr 2018, 7:11 pm
Chronos wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
I do believe that this sort of tension of resentment/envy expressed might be connected to the "gendered"-fication of statistics and research. This is my personal theory.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
Venting frustration is fine and talking about men's issues is fine but misogyny isn't. I've illustrated before how one can vent frustrations with dating and romantic relationships with being misogynistic or misandristic.
Hey, but where do you think the line should be drawn between the two?
Activists directly or indirectly say that being opposed to legal on-demand abortion is misogynist, but anti-abortion is merely one of views on a hot political issue and most viewpoints are not inherently violent or hateful. This happens with other issues too, not just abortion.
I think it's sometimes hard to understand someone saying things like this.
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27 Apr 2018, 7:11 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
Yeah, just speaking from personal experience, but men are eternally testing other men for their "toughness."
Men could really use a gender revolution.
Men could really use a gender revolution.
I think mainly because it's men who are in charge of dealing with male violence, and it's part of why women shy away from any guy who can't defend himself either physically, socially, or both. It's not cruelty per say but rather something more like grim necessity.
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27 Apr 2018, 8:45 pm
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
I do believe that this sort of tension of resentment/envy expressed might be connected to the "gendered"-fication of statistics and research. This is my personal theory.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
But, it's funny how most men have been told to be silent on issues affecting them by attacking them as hating women, no matter who/what the person's context is. Even on this forum, we have that. Also, are people saying that they'll go on a witch-hunt to identify and ban all male members who are charged with "misogyny"? I have had some emotional problems with women and rejection before, and I may have vented a few times on here about women. Being frustrated doesn't mean that you therefore hate someone or a whole demographic. Don't ban me just because I might want to vent frustration sometimes.
Venting frustration is fine and talking about men's issues is fine but misogyny isn't. I've illustrated before how one can vent frustrations with dating and romantic relationships with being misogynistic or misandristic.
Hey, but where do you think the line should be drawn between the two?
Activists directly or indirectly say that being opposed to legal on-demand abortion is misogynist, but anti-abortion is merely one of views on a hot political issue and most viewpoints are not inherently violent or hateful. This happens with other issues too, not just abortion.
I think it's sometimes hard to understand someone saying things like this.
Well between the statements "Women only date jerks who hit them"
and
"I'm a nice person but women pass me over and it frustrates me. I don't understand why guys I think are jerks and who hit women can attract women I want while I am still single, particularly because a lot of women I've heard from say they just want a nice guy, but I'm nice and keep getting rejected."
Between the two, which one is misandristic?
"Men are stupid and shallow. They say they want low maintenance women and then date the complete opposite"
or
"I don't wear makeup and it frustrates me when guys I am interested in claim they want low maintenance women and then act like I'm invisible and chase after women who wear makeup"
The first example in both instances constitutes misogyny and misandry because they represent attacks on the opposite sex because of the application of broad, negative characterizationd.
The second example in both instances are not misogynistic or misandric because they don't attack the opposite sex. They explicitly talk about the poster's frustration with specific situations.
Here is an example which is not misogyny but can still be perceived as an attack by many women because ut's making a broad claim that may conflict with the experiences and minimize the hardships of actual women.
"Women have it so much easier than men! Then just have to sit there and look pretty and they have their pick of men!"
A less antagonizing way of phrasing such sentiments, that may better allow the poster to receive sympathy from both sides may be...
"I envy women for not having to do the asking in society. I wish women had to do the asking out because I'm shy and the rejection really gets to me."
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27 Apr 2018, 10:06 pm
Chronos wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Here's a brief guide to the topic. Trigger warning, though. These guys have some revolting plans for the rest of us. http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/ ... ass-rapes/
The article has lots of direct quotes with links to the sources.
I wonder how we can deal with this threat. With racists, shunning seems pretty effective, but these folks thrive on feeling excluded. We even have some folks in this forum who constantly create problems by spewing their self-abnegation and hatred of women. Maybe this will wake people up to the actual threats they may indeed pose.
Quote:
In an assortment of threads that popped up after the news media began to report on a supposed Facebook post from Minassian announcing that “the Incel Rebellion has … begun,” some of the Incels.me regulars are celebrating the killings and the alleged killer as “life fuel” for them and their nihilistic, misogynistic, misanthropic “movement.”
...
Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.
But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.
Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.
...
Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.
But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.
Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.
The article has lots of direct quotes with links to the sources.
I wonder how we can deal with this threat. With racists, shunning seems pretty effective, but these folks thrive on feeling excluded. We even have some folks in this forum who constantly create problems by spewing their self-abnegation and hatred of women. Maybe this will wake people up to the actual threats they may indeed pose.
I think the more men who speak out against misogyny and violence against women, the better, however I also think young men who are at risk for being assimilated by such groups need the guidance and mentorship of men with healthy perspectives on life.
Chronos you did a good thing for that young man you talked about in the other thread. You uplifted him. We need women like yourself as well.
27 Apr 2018, 10:24 pm
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Here's a brief guide to the topic. Trigger warning, though. These guys have some revolting plans for the rest of us. http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/ ... ass-rapes/
The article has lots of direct quotes with links to the sources.
I wonder how we can deal with this threat. With racists, shunning seems pretty effective, but these folks thrive on feeling excluded. We even have some folks in this forum who constantly create problems by spewing their self-abnegation and hatred of women. Maybe this will wake people up to the actual threats they may indeed pose.
Quote:
In an assortment of threads that popped up after the news media began to report on a supposed Facebook post from Minassian announcing that “the Incel Rebellion has … begun,” some of the Incels.me regulars are celebrating the killings and the alleged killer as “life fuel” for them and their nihilistic, misogynistic, misanthropic “movement.”
...
Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.
But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.
Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.
...
Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.
But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.
Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.
The article has lots of direct quotes with links to the sources.
I wonder how we can deal with this threat. With racists, shunning seems pretty effective, but these folks thrive on feeling excluded. We even have some folks in this forum who constantly create problems by spewing their self-abnegation and hatred of women. Maybe this will wake people up to the actual threats they may indeed pose.
I think the more men who speak out against misogyny and violence against women, the better, however I also think young men who are at risk for being assimilated by such groups need the guidance and mentorship of men with healthy perspectives on life.
Chronos you did a good thing for that young man you talked about in the other thread. You uplifted him. We need women like yourself as well.
Thanks, I try. I really would like most men who want happy relationships to have happy relationships.
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28 Apr 2018, 1:03 am
I'll tell you; before I met my wife I was pretty much involuntarily Celibate. But never once did I want to hurt anyone else, except for myself. I believe most men who feel unloved and left out are more like I once had, rather than these pathetic, women hating lunatics.
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28 Apr 2018, 2:34 am
Chronos wrote:
I really would like most men who want happy relationships to have happy relationships.
Isn't there something profoundly wrong with that idea? You know, natural selection. Not everyone is meant to find a partner; especially not all males. As a woman, I'd expect you to find that idea revolting, since you probably know, or at least can make a fairly reliable educated guess, what it's like to put up with a man who doesn't cut the mustard.
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