Can Brits comment on 'breaching the peace' outside of trials

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freefall suggests it had somewhere to fall from

I remember last year trying to figure out what this whole mess was so I decided to listen to some of Tara McCarthy's hosted debates between people like Vox Day and Greg Johnson as well as tuning into some of the debates to figure out what type of guy Richard Spencer was.

Some of these guys are highly intelligent, albeit it's misguided in very fundamental ways. They tend to have romantic outlooks om masculinity and it was amazing to me to see Julius Evola and esoteric Traditionalism (Guenon et al.) brought up as often as it was. They're showing an anti-modern streak to where instead of properly identifying holes or blind spots in modernism, the way more level heads might appeal to Jung, they seem to go full reverse - to which esoteric Traditionalism is the perfect anti-modern philosophy in that it leans heavily on the Hindu concept of kali yuga and everything in permanent decay. Where it gets really confusing for me is their idea that our political problems at present are best, or only, solved by ethnostates and the other thing that hits me as rather odd is their riff on Socrates that democracy is bad and that humanity's showing it's too dumb to rule itself - hence a lot of them tend to be monarchists.

Even though I can be cynical or pessimistic about people or politics I still see most of the problems at present not having anything to do with race being this insoluble identity that bands people into zero-sum groups or anything like that, in the US we've been able to watch that get used so cynically for most of my lifetime that it's clear to me if there are any problems its that we have a way of letting demagogues get to the front of any movement and when they're not corrupting civil rights movements they're twisting the news to their own ends or mangling education.

I tend to think any really new movement, especially when they're in an unpopular place, will have a lot of intelligent people among its ranks but then as soon as it gets popular it will start to balloon out with all the refuse that anyone else has - so in that sense yes, there is a place for the IQ in that group to free fall from.

I do share people's worries that white identiarianism does need to be watched much more closely than other movements just on how fast it could spin up high degrees of organization, and I also can't escape the sense that their numbers are swelling for a reason and it's mostly in reaction to something putrid opposite of them.

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That's not really true. The Rothschild family as a whole is estimated to be worth between $350 billion - $2 trillion. Then there is the Aristocracy, here in the UK we have families that have been wealthy for nearly a thousand years. Unlike the Rothschild's the Aristocracy leaves the estate to the eldest male heir.

White Identity movements are growing but this is only because Anti white movements are growing. Hopefully this is just a phase though.

In the past the center hasn't had much power because it seemed to just have a commitment to being vanilla - which doesn't appeal to people in times of political distress. Truthfully I think the Intellectual Dark Web might change it to be an active and purposeful force for good against both extremes, and with the power of social media, Youtube, etc. they may very well be able to beat down the lunacy on both sides with logic and reason.

"Robinson plead guilty to contempt of court, breach of a suspended sentence and said he 'deeply regretted' his actions after realising the potential consequences of them"

Yeah because he wants a softer sentence to reduce his chance of being murdered in there.

the sentence was already set 13 months ago, he has just had his non custodial sentence converted to a custodial one, his admittance of guilt and regret at this point doesn't change the sentence

Honestly I don't understand why they let him film for one hour then. I really just don't trust a government that convicts more people of hate speech than Russia.

something I read (i never followed up to see if it was confirmed or not) was that he filmed witnesses and jury members and put the video up on social media. He put the whole court case at risk due to his boneheaded behaviour.

He was live streaming and did film some defendants. Why was there a reporting ban on this case but not others, its just the state trying to cover up its inaction at protecting children.

I understand there are reporting bans on much of the detail of every case in the country, sometimes various different bans are put in place depending on the sensitivity of the case. its the law in the UK to help give defendants a fair trial.

As and when details are revealed in court then journalists can report them, until the details are revealed in court they cannot talk about them. That is why you see reporters stood outside court on big cases on the news each day talking about different details.

Sometimes Postponement Orders are put in place by judges which mean that the media cannot report on the detail of cases until they are concluded rather than day by day.

All of these are so that defendants get a fair trial. Robinson's arrest and sentence converted to custodial was given a Postponement Order which is why it has been discussed on twitter etc but not on news websites. This was because a separate court case was related to his own court case so one could then end up influencing the other. I believe that to be a standard thing.

But there are plenty of examples of the press reporting details whilst the trial is on going. I disagree that we have fair trials in the UK, in my mind a fair trial includes a jury.

In New York State, if the maximum penalty is one year or more, one can choose to either have a jury or a bench (judge) trial.

If you can choose then I think its fair.

But I'm against state show trials especially when the judge is likely from an establish upper middle class background and the defendant if likely from a working class background.

WTF???

Did you even read my post? I even gave the example of journalists outside court reporting the detail day by day