Do you think healthcare is a right?

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06 Jun 2018, 12:46 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

It definitely should be.
What is the justification for opposing universal healthcare, save for hatred of the needy for allegedly being a drag on the affluent, and just out-and-out stinginess regarding having to pay more taxes.

How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services? Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.

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06 Jun 2018, 12:53 pm

Bataar wrote:

How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?

Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.

So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

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06 Jun 2018, 12:55 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

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Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

I think he means that some people can actually afford it. That is a privilege.

I think healthcare is a human right and should be, not have it be a privilege.

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06 Jun 2018, 2:08 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

I think he means that some people can actually afford it. That is a privilege. I think healthcare is a human right and should be, not have it be a privilege.

I have to use a few analogies:

You have the right to free speech. You do not have the privilege of having anyone listen to you.

You have the right to the religion of your choice. You do not have the privilege of forcing anyone to believe as you do.

You have the right to own a firearm. You do not have the privilege of carrying that firearm in public (in most cases).

You have the right to drive a car. You do not have the privilege of parking your car in a handicapped zone (unless you have a 'Handicapped' tag).

Regardless, The difference between 'rights' and 'privileges' is essentially an arbitrary one -- humans invented these concepts, humans bestowed them, and humans can take them away. The only difference is that denial of someone's 'Rights' takes a higher authority than denial of someone's 'Privileges'.

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06 Jun 2018, 2:27 pm

Fnord wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

I think he means that some people can actually afford it. That is a privilege. I think healthcare is a human right and should be, not have it be a privilege.

And, it is humans who define what are rights and what are privileges is that correct?

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06 Jun 2018, 3:45 pm

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I agree I should have a "right" to bypass doctors.

I can find my condition online, see appropriate treatments, so I should be able to go to a local pharmacy and order the drugs/medical care I need, and not be blocked by medical laws.

Good luck misdiagnosing yourself, as you and I are amateurs. Especially good luck is you need to conduct surgery on yourself.

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06 Jun 2018, 3:47 pm

Bataar wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

And in the meantime, what happens to those who can't get by except with government healthcare due to poverty or history of bad health? Your way seems a mite bit selfish.

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06 Jun 2018, 4:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Bataar wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

And in the meantime, what happens to those who can't get by except with government healthcare due to poverty or history of bad health? Your way seems a mite bit selfish.

Maybe he looks at the result of Government aid for college and sharply escalating costs? Though in that case with loans the Student is still stuck with a huge debt.

Ideally the 'Single Payer' or government would pay for it but behave like the ultimate customer almost like a reverse monopoly. If an industry only has one customer, that customer should have lots of leverage to negotiate prices. Also, hopefully the whole process of getting checked for treatment has less paperwork. Who wants to be handed a clipboard of paperwork to fill out or worried about costs of treatment when checking into the Emergency Room. People need to be able to focus on healing not worrying about a huge bill coming.

In most cases, I don't think choice should be affected that much accept very non-essential things like cosmetic surgery.

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06 Jun 2018, 5:52 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Bataar wrote:

How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?

Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.

Why do some people say it is not a right?

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06 Jun 2018, 6:05 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

Do you think it is?

Yes.

And I think the question the poster is asking is not "is it a right?" according to philosophical and political theories, but should access to healthcare for all be a responsibility of a civil society?

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06 Jun 2018, 6:16 pm

I believe it is essential in a civil society.....most definitely I do.

In a CIVILIZED, ENLIGHTENED society.

Under Trump, we're going back to Medieval days. Back to the days which begot Communism in the first place.

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06 Jun 2018, 8:11 pm

blazingstar wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

Do you think it is?

Want to know my opinion on it look at the bottom of the first page on this thread.

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07 Jun 2018, 2:23 am

Fnord wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Access to health care is a right. Actually receiving health care is a privilege.

What do you mean by that?

I think he means that some people can actually afford it. That is a privilege. I think healthcare is a human right and should be, not have it be a privilege.

I don't think driving is a right, I think it is a privilege.

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07 Jun 2018, 2:28 am

Dylanperr wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Bataar wrote:

How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?

Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.

Why do some people say it is not a right?

Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.

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07 Jun 2018, 5:15 am

League_Girl wrote:

Dylanperr wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Bataar wrote:

How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?

Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.

Why do some people say it is not a right?

While staunchly proclaiming themselves to be Pro-Life.

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07 Jun 2018, 6:45 am

Basic human rights in my eyes:

Food, clean water, shelter, medical care.

Privileges:

Love, sex, relationships, fancy food.

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