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18 Jul 2018, 10:33 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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In the United States Muslim's Vote
two/thirds Majority Democratic not
much different than Hispanic Americans
And sure less than African American Folks.
All these Folks are Having Children at Higher rates
than so-called White Bread Republicans; so, this line of
thinking that Folks who Pop out more Babies are more likely to Vote Republican
Fails over here in the Farther West and the Fact is these are the Demographics
that will continue to Grow the Fastest in the United States; there is no stopping it.
Browner And More Likely to Vote Democrat/Independent is coming even Stronger in the US.
It's
Simple Math, too
as these Folks
continue
to 'get together too'.

http://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/poli ... ial-views/



Muslims in the US are nothing but a tiny minority,

Hispanics' fertility is in decline, Backs' fertility have a lower fertility rate than Rep Whites.

Whites (Brit descendants, excluding Hispanics) are about 63% of total US population. Hispanics are only 8.7%.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/ind ... tovictory/

So the generational time is NOT in favor of dems/left , and left worldwide too.


Hmm, I think I'll take the Brooking Institute and Projections of the US Census
over the Source you have Provided above. Minorities, in General, are Projected
to outnumber Non-Hispanic Whites by 2045; and by 2020 the Under Age 18 Population
Will do the same.

Beside that point, there is the Fact that I have already Sourced that Republican Leaning
Voters are the Smallest Polled Minority now by Reputable Sources; and the Independent
Leaning Voters outnumber both Republicans and Democrats by at Least 10 Percentage points;
a Trend that is ongoing since 2009.

It's also worth Noting that Bernie Sanders is an Independent Politician too. And on top of that Trump is currently doing a Free Fall with Flip Flips over if he said he Would or Wouldn't do something close to Treason as Far as Supporting the Russian Leader over his Intelligence Agencies. He's Losing Favor Fast even on News Stations Like Fox News. When that Happens, most anyone associated with the Republican Party can be assured they've hit close to Rock Bottom.

It's like a Three Ring Circus that is coming to an end finally after almost a Two Year Marathon of Ludicrous events. But hey, we get what we vote for in the United States. None of this effects me personally, for I've been Financially Independent for over a Decade now.

I Hate to see people suffer even more financially in the Future but if they are going shoot themselves in the Foot; I can't stop 'em and I won't stop 'em, for if they wanna go that route they will and sure that includes Folks in my own Extended Family in the more Ignorant Voting Blocks of my Local area of the Facts as they truly exist with Reputable Sources that are not Facebook Fodder.

And to be clear, I am not suggesting your source is Fake; it's just not from a Source that has Been Reputable for Decades now.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-aven ... -projects/


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19 Jul 2018, 3:02 am

^^ This is unlikely to happen because Trump in 2020 and Pence after him will keep doing strict anti-immigration policies.

Even maybe combined with strict denaturalization policies.



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19 Jul 2018, 6:54 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ This is unlikely to happen because Trump in 2020 and Pence after him will keep doing strict anti-immigration policies.

Even maybe combined with strict denaturalization policies.


I saw Peter Schiff on Joe Rogan last night and he was predicting a lot of things that I really hope aren't true. He suggested that our debt and regulation problems are bad enough that we're due for a major market collapse in the next few years, that Trump has now voluntarily owned the state of the economy, will take the rap for it, and that the next president, likely a new one in 2020, will be farther left than any democrat since maybe FDR.

Not sure what to make of that but we could end up in that much time dispanding ICE, trying to make the US a no-citizenship-needed land, no borders, etc. as a response to all this.


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19 Jul 2018, 9:43 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ This is unlikely to happen because Trump in 2020 and Pence after him will keep doing strict anti-immigration policies.

Even maybe combined with strict denaturalization policies.


First of all, thanks for the Civil Discourse and at least entertaining a Different Point of View. As Science Shows now the Conservative and Liberal Nature of Human Beings is both Innately and Environmentally related. So, in other Words by very Biology of the Human Condition, there will always be these two very General Different ways of Looking at the World.

Basically; one is Averse to Change and the other Welcomes Change. I've linked the excellent Work of Jonathan Haidt, well respected Social Scientist, World Wide, many times on this Internet Site. He addresses the Issue of the Liberal and Conservative Natures of Human Beings and well explains the Reality, with Well Studied Empirical Evidence.

I, as a very left and right thinking/acting Person have rarely been allowed to speak the Science and Art of my mind/body freely here as apparently, I am the Very Definition of Neuro-Diverse in just one Human Being as Metaphor as I will easily on a turn of a dime visit both realms of potential human experience/thinking/perceptions that are much different than most folks experience; just, judging from the Reactions of the diverse ways I am able to communicate here and the Conservative General reactions along with aversions on an Internet Site, here too, where Informally, but with a Huge Sample of Responses as Polled by Fnord Years ago, is close to 95% of Introvert as I Personally will move across the Spectrum of INTJ through ENFP in both Mind and Body Thoughts and Actions by Relative Free Will of practice now.

I've done INTJ most of my life; but Oh God, ENFP Naturally Feels so much better and is so much more successful in the moving and connecting and co-creating experiences of life.

Sure, the INTJ thingy brought me Financial Success early; but Happiness, Hell no; and yes, it did Bring Hell, yes. And no Doubt that is why a very tiny piece I wrote on Autism Burnout after 5 years is still a Top Linked Hit as far as views go
on my Hobby Bible/Long Form Poem/Blogs.

In other Words, it can and will be an overall very unhealthy thing in life to be stuck in one metaphor as Hemisphere of Mind/Body. When both are working in Synch, where if I Will Learn to do it scoring a 45 on the AQ Test and now doing an 11; I truly don't believe I am that Special and other folks, if they really put their Will/Art/Science to it can and will have a more enjoyable life this way too.

But of course, Finances are a Huge consideration; I couldn't see myself doing it, if I still was in the Rat Race of Administrating, Managing, Supervising Programs and People for the Federal Government that increasingly required Analytical Skills over anything Human Related as those kind of Jobs used to be before People Managers were required to Multi-task what Secretaries, Personal Specialists, Payroll Folks, Financial Management Folks used to have to do; before Directors of this or that became all of that too. I am no Fool now as a Tool to the Machine; I am totally Free in Relative Will ways of Speak and Walk; Better Yet, Dance and Sing.

Anyway, My Friend, if I don't get chastised here for calling someone friend as I've even got the response here before; this Entire Human Experiment is a Brand new Frontier Now; I would be rather Naive to suggest I have the Entire Answer now as
Humans are increasingly losing what counts in truly moving, connecting, and co-creating Life in Flesh and Blood as we are evolved to do, ever since we started on this Planet as Social Animals.

I see a Soul as an all Natural Wholistic Experience of what we Sense Feel and Know of life. And everywhere I go these Days I basically see Human Rats, per the "Beautiful Ones" Experiment of John B Calhoun in the 60's, Lost in a Maze. And true my Friend, I used to be one of those Rats too; and the old Cliche of a Canary in a Coal Mine who escaped now too.

I found a way to get out that works for me; and I can't say for sure that anything I've done will work for anyone else now; but considering we all share basically the same DNA; there is at least hope for some to get out of the 'cave'.

That much we have the Potential to Control; and as far where we go Next as a World; truly Trump Spells in no uncertain
terms now like a Batman Joker; the sh** has already hit the Fan.

My Philosophy is Dance and Sing as long as I will; Enjoy Life the Best I will.

The Fact is Humans are the Best at Adapting overall and that's why they Rule the World. Problem is my Friend Life is much than rules. Life is also Art. The Greatest Lesson I've ever learned.

Circling the Globe as I do just for fun with my whole tool kit at hand to adapt to whatever I come into contact with; I attempt to take some folks out of Boxes; and like a Hermit Crab, revert to the holes/caves of life when required to, if that is what it takes to lift at least a few folks up. It's True my Friend, I find Bright Spots here and there; and at least a few Hands who are at least Brave enough to Interact with me, too.

The thing in life is; if you find something new; doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The 'Right' Bores me; but True as far as General Safety Goes; I'm happy that all my neighbors are loaded up with guns; just means I don't have to worry too much, If I leave my Front Doors open at night.

Truly, I live in an Exceptionally safe place and the reality is, I will Credit the 80 Percent of folks in my Entire County who vote Republican now for just that. Yes, those 'Boring Folks' do come in Handy. And yes, I still visit the INTJ way of life and
that is why I drop by here now and then. For now I am here, for I am Celebrating a Five Year Anniversary of Getting out of Real Hell on Earth. Heaven is much better when real and no F in Fairy tale now. As much as this place tends to bore me now; It's still the only place left in my Entire World, I could go to do anything as a Shut-in in my Bedroom for the last 33 months out of the 66 Month I spent in Hell with 19 Medical Disorders. I don't forget where I come from no matter what.
It's important to Have a past and a future now too. And to Remember Hell and give it all the Holy and Sacred Full of Meaning and Purpose it does deserve for as many Sages of the ages Report, it is the Door to Heaven now too.

Best of Both Worlds;

It's what i do best..:)

Meanwhile, I lean back with a Popcorn of Dance and Song and Party Like it's 1999; for at least that's where we all are now.

Make the Best oF iT NoW; That's what TRuly smART Humans do now. Whining and Moaning about it; is for 'lesser being'.

Yeah, I realize I am like a Super Nova who takes all the Oxygen out of the Room when full on Glow; and that's why I do limit my visits to all others and reduce my Glow; the best I can and will. It used to be the Opposite; this challenge is much easier now; basically 'cause it's all Good now even in Dark.

Good Luck; we all need a Little Magic too. Whether it's real or not; it's the Ultimate Effect now that counts most as real Feelings and Senses we actually experience.


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19 Jul 2018, 9:49 am

In my case, because they shove feminism down people's throats every chance they get.
That's enough for me to jump off the train, even though I'm actually quite left leaning on a number of topics.



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19 Jul 2018, 10:01 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ This is unlikely to happen because Trump in 2020 and Pence after him will keep doing strict anti-immigration policies.

Even maybe combined with strict denaturalization policies.


I saw Peter Schiff on Joe Rogan last night and he was predicting a lot of things that I really hope aren't true. He suggested that our debt and regulation problems are bad enough that we're due for a major market collapse in the next few years, that Trump has now voluntarily owned the state of the economy, will take the rap for it, and that the next president, likely a new one in 2020, will be farther left than any democrat since maybe FDR.

Not sure what to make of that but we could end up in that much time dispanding ICE, trying to make the US a no-citizenship-needed land, no borders, etc. as a response to all this.


Just like in the Bush Administration when the Pendulum sways too far Right; to the Left
the response is equally predictable as General Rule as History continues to show.

(Note: in this Case Trump is Truly Neither And that's makes It A Different Experiment
all Together as Separate)

Balance is Key; always has been always will, when real of course as Be;
Best as an individual 'Neo effort' too as always now; that much in
Relative Free Will We Will Master; those of who are successful, now too as Be and Am.


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19 Jul 2018, 10:09 am

aghogday wrote:
Balance is Key; always has been always will, when real of course as Be;

People don't do balance though, they do limbic knee-jerk reaction and feels. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping he's either not seeing all the factors or just trying to sell gold.


aghogday wrote:
Best as an individual 'Neo effort' too as always now; that much in
Relative Free Will We Will Master; those of who are successful, now too as Be and Am.

Although I tend to deeply doubt that there's such a thing as libertarian free-will I do think individuals can learn (technically those who do don't have a choice not to), the crowd and groups however tend to fill any crevice in the landscape and it seems like certain crevices, when they fill, get loud media attention and seem to strap states and nations to a sort of almost physics-like determinism where if it can happen based on current laws or incentive structures it either will or something supporting that current alignment will have to break as either a fluke of good/bad luck or simply as a layer of the structure no one was paying attention to previously.


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19 Jul 2018, 10:46 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Balance is Key; always has been always will, when real of course as Be;

People don't do balance though, they do limbic knee-jerk reaction and feels. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping he's either not seeing all the factors or just trying to sell gold.


aghogday wrote:
Best as an individual 'Neo effort' too as always now; that much in
Relative Free Will We Will Master; those of who are successful, now too as Be and Am.

Although I tend to deeply doubt that there's such a thing as libertarian free-will I do think individuals can learn (technically those who do don't have a choice not to), the crowd and groups however tend to fill any crevice in the landscape and it seems like certain crevices, when they fill, get loud media attention and seem to strap states and nations to a sort of almost physics-like determinism where if it can happen based on current laws or incentive structures it either will or something supporting that current alignment will have to break as either a fluke of good/bad luck or simply as a layer of the structure no one was paying attention to previously.


True, this Entire Trump Experience shows just how little Relative Free Will some Humans Exercise as Real.
As in all Stuff Life it is a Spectrum. Those who wanna stay totally plugged in whether they realize it or not 'will'.
Those who Escape in a Spectrum of Relative Free Will, Will do that too. A 'Thought' of Total Free Will is
Ridiculous and only for folks who are separated from what's Real. What we are even
Conscious of in our own Realities is just a Speck of Dust. Truth is we can and
'Will' become 'Bigger Specks of Dust'. I Spend Most of my Life in a Real
Nirvana; that's an exercise of Relative Free Will that beats
anything else I have Experienced in Life.
Heaven's Real at Least for me and
Relatively Speaking I Present
enough evidence that is actually empirical; that it is at least real for me
For anyone with any actually common sense and feel of Life is Good Now.
Again, empirically Speaking; I can't see where I am that Special; and why other folks don't have the Potential too.
For it's True I also have Reams of Evidence that I existed in the other "Life is Bad Place" too; True It's a B88CH; Replace
the 8's with ea or it. Anyway, my FriEnd, Have a Nice Day; by now I am an expert on what really counts now; JusT Happy.


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19 Jul 2018, 10:58 am

I chase the alchemical stuff mainly because it seems like some map for enduring self-improvement is our only shot at having more than a 'good times' surface facade of integrity. The other thing - the good news and the bad news - is we're most likely immortal and what we do yesterday or tomorrow will likely continue to haunt us past the grave. In a way IMHO Dawkins, Dennett, et. al. are too optimistic.


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19 Jul 2018, 11:21 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I chase the alchemical stuff mainly because it seems like some map for enduring self-improvement is our only shot at having more than a 'good times' surface facade of integrity. The other thing - the good news and the bad news - is we're most likely immortal and what we do yesterday or tomorrow will likely continue to haunt us past the grave. In a way IMHO Dawkins, Dennett, et. al. are too optimistic.


I am 100 Percent sure of this
Now and then, now. Hehe, there Is Plenty of Time Now for other folks to come to the ‘determination’ that Reality is Love JusT to Do Eternally now; so many Folks waiting to Love another time, self-fulfill their Prophecy too, always now; so simple, so complex folks make Heaven through Hell now.


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