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01 Aug 2018, 11:37 am

I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.



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01 Aug 2018, 11:47 am

Strongman leaders often bully people who are different.
Which is hard on people who have difficulty being "normal."



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01 Aug 2018, 2:48 pm

EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


So far, only Starbucks is getting rid of their straws, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be worried. Occasionally, the loony end of the political spectrum's left gets a wild hair up their backside, but then they stop with it when the rest of the left tells them how nuts they sound. Compare that to the right, where loony conservatives have marshalled too many of the people on their side of the aisle to roll back LGBT rights, or enforce voter ID laws to target people who aren't going to vote Republican or Libertarian.


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01 Aug 2018, 9:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


So far, only Starbucks is getting rid of their straws, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be worried. Occasionally, the loony end of the political spectrum's left gets a wild hair up their backside, but then they stop with it when the rest of the left tells them how nuts they sound.


I'm not actually worried. But still there seems to be a desire for a government that micromanages society.

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. Compare that to the right, where loony conservatives have marshalled too many of the people on their side of the aisle to roll back LGBT rights, or enforce voter ID laws to target people who aren't going to vote Republican or Libertarian.


Target them for what?



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01 Aug 2018, 11:23 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


So far, only Starbucks is getting rid of their straws, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be worried. Occasionally, the loony end of the political spectrum's left gets a wild hair up their backside, but then they stop with it when the rest of the left tells them how nuts they sound.


I'm not actually worried. But still there seems to be a desire for a government that micromanages society.

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. Compare that to the right, where loony conservatives have marshalled too many of the people on their side of the aisle to roll back LGBT rights, or enforce voter ID laws to target people who aren't going to vote Republican or Libertarian.


Target them for what?


Target them for what? To keep groups who are more likely to be Democrats from voting by not only requiring them to produce IDs, but to make make it all that much harder to get said identification (closing licensing offices, or demanding exorbitant requirements to buy one).


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01 Aug 2018, 11:41 pm

EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


It's entirely possible to get a reusable drinking straw. The problem with standard drinking straws is that, like most single-use items, they just turn into mountains of garbage.

EDIT: I've provided a link.

http://www.greenmunch.ca/reusable-straws/

Some of these cost only 3 dollars.


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02 Aug 2018, 2:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


So far, only Starbucks is getting rid of their straws, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be worried. Occasionally, the loony end of the political spectrum's left gets a wild hair up their backside, but then they stop with it when the rest of the left tells them how nuts they sound.


I'm not actually worried. But still there seems to be a desire for a government that micromanages society.

Kraichgauer wrote:
. Compare that to the right, where loony conservatives have marshalled too many of the people on their side of the aisle to roll back LGBT rights, or enforce voter ID laws to target people who aren't going to vote Republican or Libertarian.


Target them for what?


Target them for what? To keep groups who are more likely to be Democrats from voting by not only requiring them to produce IDs, but to make make it all that much harder to get said identification (closing licensing offices, or demanding exorbitant requirements to buy one).


So if someone is a republican they don't need a voter id, but if they're a democrat they do?

Or is this about people who are in the country illegally?

If so it seems odd that russians meddling in the election process is abhorrent. But if people from other countries want to it's okay because they'll probably vote democrat. And trying to prevent that in their case is just racism because they're brown.



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02 Aug 2018, 2:30 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I thought they want the government to regulate everything and make even things like drinking straws a crime. Seriously it seems like a 1984 mentality to me where so much stuff is regulated and more and more stuff on the way. All to make us save the planet and make us healthy and make us behave better. Emphasis on the work "make".

I need a straw when I go out places, because my disability, along with millions of others. I thought the democrats were supposed to be looking out for us. How is a person with CP, or a quadriplegic or amputee supposed to hold a cup? Then again they probably want 90% of all beverages banned anyways.


So far, only Starbucks is getting rid of their straws, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't be worried. Occasionally, the loony end of the political spectrum's left gets a wild hair up their backside, but then they stop with it when the rest of the left tells them how nuts they sound.


I'm not actually worried. But still there seems to be a desire for a government that micromanages society.

Kraichgauer wrote:
. Compare that to the right, where loony conservatives have marshalled too many of the people on their side of the aisle to roll back LGBT rights, or enforce voter ID laws to target people who aren't going to vote Republican or Libertarian.


Target them for what?


Target them for what? To keep groups who are more likely to be Democrats from voting by not only requiring them to produce IDs, but to make make it all that much harder to get said identification (closing licensing offices, or demanding exorbitant requirements to buy one).


So if someone is a republican they don't need a voter id, but if they're a democrat they do?

Or is this about people who are in the country illegally?

If so it seems odd that russians meddling in the election process is abhorrent. But if people from other countries want to it's okay because they'll probably vote democrat. And trying to prevent that in their case is just racism because they're brown.


In fact, Trump's own committee to uncover voter fraud went away saying that there was virtually no evidence for its existence. Talk of voter fraud is just a pretext to crack down on people on the opposite political team.
As for your query about it being about letting Republicans vote but not Democrats - - It was in one red state where hunting licenses could be used as ID for voting, but not college ID. That's not to say that there are no liberals who hunt or conservatives who go to college, but most hunters are Republicans or Libertarians, while most college students tend to be pretty liberal.


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02 Aug 2018, 4:00 am

Seems to me there's a discernable difference between a hunting license and college id. One's a licence issued by the government. The other is an id issued by a school.

But doesn't a driver's license / state id superseded both of those?



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02 Aug 2018, 2:57 pm

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Seems to me there's a discernable difference between a hunting license and college id. One's a licence issued by the government. The other is an id issued by a school.

But doesn't a driver's license / state id superseded both of those?


You would think that a driver's license would. But as I've already posted, licensing offices in minority and poor communities inexplicably get closed down, making it difficult for people who often have no transportation and who have work and family obligations to travel to get a license.


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02 Aug 2018, 6:34 pm

A wide range of people with disabilities who do not drive, do not have driver's licenses, and don't have a need for any state ID. Many people with disabilities cannot drive somewhere to get a state ID or find the birth certificate that is now required. Or have the money to pay for the birth certificate. I know people who have no "real" identity because they have disabilities and have been on the streets for so long. I know someone born black in rural Georgia a long time ago and her birth was never recorded by anyone. There are a lot of people for whom getting a specific ID is difficult. And those people tend to vote more Democratic than Republican. Voter ID laws disenfranchise the most vulnerable of our citizens regardless of their political leanings. And for that reason, it should not be allowed.


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A wide range of people with disabilities who do not drive, do not have driver's licenses, and don't have a need for any state ID. Many people with disabilities cannot drive somewhere to get a state ID or find the birth certificate that is now required. Or have the money to pay for the birth certificate. I know people who have no "real" identity because they have disabilities and have been on the streets for so long. I know someone born black in rural Georgia a long time ago and her birth was never recorded by anyone. There are a lot of people for whom getting a specific ID is difficult. And those people tend to vote more Democratic than Republican. Voter ID laws disenfranchise the most vulnerable of our citizens regardless of their political leanings. And for that reason, it should not be allowed.


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02 Aug 2018, 8:52 pm

I guess I got confused with hunting licenses and college ID's being brought up. I'm assuming the people being described don't have either of those as well.

And while there may be a lot of people who can't get an ID, it still seems that it's still too small a number of people to have any significant effect on voting numbers for the GOP to hatch a plot to exclude them in order to win elections.

But here's the question. How are they supposed to screen out those who are not US citizens from voting? We don't want those who are not citizens of the US to influence voting ie Russians. So it seems like that should apply to all people who are not citizens of the US.

Now it looks like all this started as early as 2010, before the whole Russia swung the election thing. But now that those who are not US citizens influencing US elections has become such an issue, it seems like tougher voting laws are needed. What if some of those zillions of Russian posing as Americans on the internet were sent to the US to cast votes? Not to mention the 12 million people already in the US who are not US citizens.

I'm actually quite surprised we have a system where any person who can't identify themselves as a US citizen can vote.

My guess is most other countries already have tougher voting laws, just as they already have tougher immigration laws.