Mark 3:28-30

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Kraftie, it is verboten in my neck of the woods to tell Jews to have new beliefs about Jesus. You are and always have been and will be Chosen by G-D. Nothing else needs saying.

Yeah. I'm really glad that I don't live in Orlando. A lot of people on the internet who live in Florida tell me that it sucks.

Perhaps America should give Florida back to Spain.



I see no evidence that G-D even exists.

I agree with Fnord. I didn't read the post because it was just too long. I don't have the attention span for it.

It's okay, even if he can't forgive me for not believing, I can forgive him for not existing.

That's a word game. Saying that God can never forgive you for doing X doesn't disprove that he is omnipotent, because you're using the word "can" in a different sense than in the sense of "can god build a boulder so big that he cant lift it". In the former context "can" means that its so disqusting to God that you're a nonbeliever that he chooses to never forgive you. Not that he literally doesn't have the ability to do so.

In contrast the boulder thing does in fact seem to disprove omnipotence as being too paradoxical.

Perhaps you are right (about what conservatives say) but this is a whole other can of worms.

"Judeo-Christian cultural heritage?" I don't see how that led to free speech. Christianity has existed for thousands of years. Most Christians were pro-authoritarian until recently.

The modern concept of free speech came out of the liberal enlightenment, which was inspired by Athenian democracy and Ancient Greek philosophy. Native American culture may have played a small role as well.

DMK: There are two main problems with the Bible. The first is that most people who are quoting the Bible or using the Bible to justify their behavior (especially poor behavior towards others) do not really know what is in the Bible. This results in discussions that are meaningless.

The second problem is that the New Testament, such as it is, was not written during Jesus' lifetime, and it was not written by specific people named Mark, John, Luke and Matthew. The earliest gospel, Mark, was written many years after Jesus' death. It was not written by the hand of god, however you may conceive of her, it was written by people, even groups of people, most of whom had an agenda to push. Also, they were copied over and over by scribes who may not actually copy correctly, or may editorialize somewhat. A historical study of the Bible reveals the likely agendas. Much of what Christians rely on for guidance are the letters of Paul, a Roman who converted to Christianity long after Jesus died. The holiest of holy, in my upbringing, was the Nicene Creed. Then I learned it was chosen by some ruler (can't remember anymore who it was) from some competing political agencies.

Nevermind Matthew, how can anyone read Leviticus and think that is the way we should live our lives? Every time someone gets all riled up because of this or that which is in the Bible and therefore must be true, should try living their lives by Leviticus.

The more one studies the Bible and the history of Christianity, the less it becomes possible to believe.

the late entertainer and biblical scholar [!] steve allen, wrote a book detailing over 5000 errors in translation, of the bible. that was just errors in translation, not to mention the other things that Blazingstar mentioned.