Should we stop using the term "alt-right"?

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Lol. My expectations of you keep on lowering. Way for the self own, man.

(Since you may be too slow to get it - the far right likes labeling its enemies as autistic. Thus when they put that it’s meant to be autistic squealing. Unless you stumbled on here by mistake - that’d be YOU lol! But hey, if self-owns are your thing (which judging by everything you post that I’ve seen - they are) by all means continue ).

Curious, are you part of that Conservative “Turning Point” group? You know, the ones who wore diapers to a college campus to “own the libs” - the self owning is along the same wave lengths.

I don't know where you get that from. I've been involved with groups smeared as "far-right" here in the UK and I've never been abused for being autistic. Any abuse I got was from the far-left.



You're repeating intelligence. It's harassment. Stop.

I can easily say that Nazis, well, they call themselves national socialists/NatSocs, prefer to be called that. I can also easily say that most of the individuals lumped into the "alt-right" aren't even Nazis/NatSocs since said Nazis/NatSocs don't like most of the individuals in the "alt-right."

So, food for thought: if you want to make them angry, keep calling them "alt-right" instead of the pronouns they prefer. Though personally, there really is no point in making people angry for the sake of making them angry, that just makes one out to be an equally hateful miserable individual.

Tolerance requires love, not hate.

“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."
Luke 6:27-31, NIV.

Wasn't it Richard Spencer who coined the term "alt-right" for the purpose of making white supremacy, etc. sound more palatable? I seem to recall him laying claim to it during an interview. Granted, I trust the guy about as far as I can throw him....

Ah, a more trustworthy source. Good ol' Merriam-Webster. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alt-right

"Definition of alt-right
: a right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism"

So it does appear to be a lot of flotsam and jetsam swirling around a white supremacist eddy, which includes a lot of groups.

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Yes, that's what he said. It's also why I rarely use it, I just use alt-reich instead.

Also, what's the right's obsession with alt? Alt-facts, alt-right, alt-morality. (the last one was sarcasm)

Yes, he does. I'll note that most Nazis/NatSocs are as strongly opposed to capitalism as much as Antifa, and Richard Spencer is among them.

That does remind me of the "Unite the Right", so I suppose it depends; but, I can easily say, most of them do not consider themselves alt-right or right at all, preferring "third position." I've had countless discussions with these individuals, vast majority reject being lumped in with "alt-right" or "right". Just a fun little side note, I've been called a "mongoloid rape-baby" by NatSocs but also sometimes (rather seldom) called "honorary Aryan" by the more watered down white supremacists, so even they have their own range of... weirdness (I do chuckle out loud whenever I'm called either of the two).

Because "alternative facts," sounds so much easier to embrace than "lies," (thanks, Kellyanne Conway) "alt-right" sounds so much more benign than "white supremacist," and people don't like to think badly of themselves. It's much easier on the conscience to be an alt-fighter presenting alternative facts than a racist peddling lies.

PR. It's all about the PR. You can sell anything with the right packaging.

I'm wondering, why does "white supremacist" or "white power" sound bad but not anything related to "black supremacy" or "black power", or why is the media 100% silent about the supremacy that East Asians feel for their ethnicity (ethnic supremacy is normal in Korea, Japan, and China)? Shouldn't all ethnic supremacy be considered bad? Always, people talk of white supremacy, but then, other forms of supremacy are acceptable. I just don't get it, it's hate and it's wrong, there's nothing morally right about any of it -- even if they use the reactionary excuse, it's still wrong.

Well, what is the race that:
- enslaved people for many years in the US
- fought to maintain segregation in the US
- enacted genocide in numerous countries

The white race. That isn’t racist, it’s just facts. White supremacy has actually led to terrifying moments in history and could again if left unchecked. Minority supremacy (bringing it closer to home “asperger supremacy”) exists but really - where can it or has it ever led to? One clearly has had more impact than the other in a factual historical way.

In short “white power” is tied into KKK and Nazis which are tied to genocide and lynchings. “Minority power” at worst is tied to being just as racist, but nothing beyond that although that would be due to being unable to go beyond that institutionally (if the tables were flipped, they would be flipped all the way - human nature).

White Supremacy and White Power though aren’t really accurate terms since they’re as against set groups of people who are white as well.

Supremacy of any ethnicity is wrong in my opinion. We're all humans. We all bleed red and we all look the same if you cut us open.

I did have "black power," explained to me by a former Black Panther some years back when I asked what it meant and if it was equivalent to "white power."

His response was a bit surprising. He said, "No. Not even close. 'White power' is meant as a call for white supremacy and the subjugation of all other races. 'Black power' has a different meaning. It's a call for black people to demand power in a society where we don't have much. It doesn't mean we want supremacy over any other race. It means we want the same power and representation that whites already have. And the slogan 'white power' came about after the Panthers started using 'black power' because the KKK crew felt threatened. They made it their own and gave it a totally different meaning. I don't think I'm any better than you and that's the difference."

I can easily ask, what is the race that:
- Continues to practice slavery to this day and practiced for hundreds of years before Europeans
- Practiced slavery before the Europeans & Asians
- Initiated the slave trade with the Arabs, and later also the Europeans
- Enacted genocide on each other long before anyone arrived
- Enslaved entire tribes to sell to foreign Arab merchants, and later, the Europeans

You're a very hateful and ignorant individual. You're unaware of reversed Apartheid in South Africa, as well as the harsh discrimination that minority ethnic groups have faced against the victors (like in Sudan).
How about the public cries for re-segregating schools, or the segregated graduation, that was called for by BLM? How about the disruption of day to day lives? How about the violence enacted against others in the name of "black power", like the Dallas police assassinations or the kidnapping and torture of a disabled boy?

Also, why are you even lumping every individual together like that? You're hating individuals for things that a very few individuals actually did.

You need to be aware of history and listen to the hate you're espousing. Hate against hate is not the right way to do things. Love is the way.

Oh, and what I said is indeed facts. Also, your statements were very racist, and very loaded. I, on the other hand, do not care what Africans have done in the past (or continue to do), and I do not care if my ancestors owned slaves (which, I can confirm they didn't, they were broke and lived in isolation, living near the Cherokee; same with my Korean ancestry, also full of poverty and lack of land ownership) since that is all in the past. You weren't a slave, you're not a slave now. All you're doing is looking for excuses to hate, and pointing fingers at other people that hate doesn't help as that makes you as bad if not worse since you're encouraging their hate.

Love one another and lead by example. Don't support the violence that you support now.

I come from a mixed race family and I blend in as white (the term “white devil” scares me).

I never said all white people were responsible.

Plus you had to use examples outside of the country whereas I specifically stated WITHIN the United States. I also said that in places where other races hold power, it is very likely that the tables would be flipped (since it comes from a human flaw of yearning for dominance rather than race - which is what you gave examples of which would only back up my statement rather than refute it).

In the United States - the main problem IS white supremacy. It may be different elsewhere, but I’m not talking about elsewhere I’m talking about the United States.

I would group hate crimes in with racism, which I noted is in all races since that is why there are hate crimes. I didn’t say only white people are racist, rather I specifically said racism is what white and black supremacy have in common.

Supremacy can only truly be enacted to strong and vile levels by a race that is in dominant control over a country. Which in the United States is white people. There can be no black institutionalized supremacy since more white people are in the highest positions of power.

Or it all comes down to the common sense notion that -

The race in control of a country also has the actual power to enact supremacy if they so choose.

Thus in the United States that’s obviously white people, in other countries that may be other races.

It’s not a question of race. It’s a question of possibility of taking form. The majority race in a country is the only one that can enforce supremacy.

What are you not buying, that slavery has existed in Africa for hundreds of years and that Africans aren't the darling angels you thought they were?

Also, I know you're talking about the United States, but you also talked about other places in the world (I suppose you forgot that). Unless of course you honestly believe that the US invented slavery. I'm giving you benefit of the doubt and assuming you've been forgetful of what you've published.

You're not really noting that all groups are involved in hate crime, considering you defended black supremacy.

Also, of course whites are going to hold the most positions in office -- have you looked at the demographic of the US? you're somehow shocked that all offices aren't held by black males. I'm not here whining about the lack of Eurasians in office, because frankly, unlike you, I don't judge people for their melanin content, instead I look at their positions and apparent character.

I saved the first for last, which is you saying that "Yeah - not buying that - at all." You don't believe that slavery has existed in africa, and still doesn't exist, and that the arabs don't have slavery either, is what you're saying, right? You couldn't be anymore wrong.
Here's some examples of African countries still practicing slavery: Mauritania, Sudan, Libya, Egypt (and don't even bother trying to deny the slavery taking place in Ancient Egypt, which has been an ongoing institution since then), and even South Africa (big on forced labor and debt bondage -- oh, and by the way, this is under the ANC government, in the present day, and not Apartheid era).
Need more examples?

You're blinded by hatred still, not wanting to love. Humans have done many wicked things and still do, and you need to accept that it's not just one group of humans. You're worse than any Han or Eurocentric supremacist I've talked to, and I hope by saying this, it puts things into perspective for you so that you can reflect on yourself and learn to love, even those that might hate you (which would be the case for me, I love you as a fellow human, but you've been hating on me because of my ethnic heritage).

Actually the first line - that you spent a whole post focusing on - was deleted before you even posted. Since I forgot what it was even in reference to.

I never said other races can’t be racist, I said black power is also racist, so you’re talking to a brick wall now.

All I’m saying is the prominent race in a country (whatever race they may be - white, black, whatever) is the only one that can enforce supremacy if they so choose because they have the power to do so.

So, would you agree with that or do you want to try to actually argue the counter to that:

“A minority race can empose supremacy regardless of not being in seats of power.”