Diversity is not a good thing

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Are you assuming something about me or insinuating something? I'm sorry but I don't get your point in those two parts and so I am confused.

As for unconquered African nations, yes, I am aware. Ethiopians, for example, resisted many invasions from early times and beyond colonial times, only having been briefly occupied by Italy in the WWII era (not long before WWII started). I love Ethiopia actually, and my bet is that they will have a very strong and thriving economy in this century as their economy continues to grow and their government tackles problems. Go Ethiopia!!



Right on point! Equally as much, they don't know what it's live like a white man either. Heck, I think we can say we don't even know what it's like to be the other person even if they are of the same group. Like a fellow Eurasian would more than likely have totally different lifestyles than me, even though we both might share an ethnic background (would need to be European + Korean).

This was criticized due to its link to believing white straight people are the most discriminated against people in the United States. White supremacists are known to believe that the United States IS a racist country - just, it's not racist against black people (which is seen to be a lie by the "Jewish elite"), rather the United States is (somehow) a country that is the most racist against white people. Also those who criticized it continued to state "no one takes issue that you're white" and instead described systematic discrimination. It's often only possible also to discuss systematic discrimination by comparing it to white privilege - for example every black person who attacks somewhere is automatically labeled a "terrorist" whereas any time a white person does the "terrorist label" usually isn't applied, rather the assaulter is depicted as a tragic case due to mental health issues; that isn't attacking white people (the vast majority of which have zero say in the matter), rather it's rightfully attacking the media and how stories are covered; yet, there are those that would take that as an attack on white people overall.

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/11/07/economy/white-millennials-attitudes-discrimination-people-color

It's similar to straight people complaining that there isn't a "straight pride day" or "straight pride parade" without taking into account that this day only exists because lgbtq people still sadly and in large numbers are killed/beaten due to their sexuality, commit suicide due to their sexuality, are kicked out of their families due to their sexuality, and are discriminated based upon their sexuality. If straight people faced that, then okay there would be a point. But, they don't - I'm saying this as a bisexual guy who has personal experience of what it means to be perceived as straight and gay in this country. As straight (my leaning, typically I'm a kinsey 2 (0 is hetero, 6 is gay)) I've never faced discrimination or oppression for being a guy who likes girls - only as a guy who likes guys.

Yeah, it's different from your example but those "events" came from the same line of thinking.

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That would be another brand of forced diversity, just with different diversity objectives.

What is really wrong either with ethno-nationalism or desiring a society based on complete or mostly homogeneous DNA?

The first bit is a reference to a funny (if trollish) hashtag that was making the rounds around the time BP was released, making that same observation.

The bit about unconquered nations is another matter. That's more the storyteller in me cringing. If I was to write something as an Ode to Africa, I'd build on real history and weave my fiction into it and build from there. The last thing I'd do is erase and/or ignore real histroy to make my fictional nation look more impressive, and then credit the awesomeness of my fictional nation to something that is pretty much literally magic. It's fanfic-grade writing.




As for the "okay to be white" thing, yes, i imagine white supremacists think it is okay to be white. But did you somehow miss the people who have redefined "western liberal democratic values" to be "whiteness", and proclaimed it to be the enemy?

1. Your take on BP would be inspiring and I'm sure there are many black people who would feel empowered by a story that shows they can become just as powerful despite the horrors of colonization. I am also actually wondering if a black creator would have gone down that route (the BP comic was created by white people and the film stuck with the canon). I do know the film is also tragic for many black people due to the science-fiction "what if" aspect of it.

2. Your last statement is kind of confusing. How was liberal values defined as "whiteness"? It sounds like you're trying to say whiteness has been proclaimed the enemy to liberals (which some right-wingers believe). Are there minority supremacists? People like Killmonger (BP) do exist. That is very true. There are many people like that. However, it's also true that black people can only express systematic racism by showing the differences in experiences between black and white people - as said with how the news portrays terrorists, that isn't a slight against white people (as some take it to be) rather the media and the only way to talk about the difference is through contrasting it. As a guy who blends in as white, I'm not afraid to reach into my car if a cop pulls me over; many black people (I'd say also poor people) do however due to stigmatization - saying that isn't racist against white people (as some take it to be) but rather pointing out faults in law enforcement and profiling. It's come to the point however, that any time a black person tries to compare and contrast they're automatically labeled as being against all white people by some as a way of shutting it down.

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Depends on how it's done I suppose and where it's done and why. I am uncertain about this question.
In Korea, they have a history of being a "hermit kingdom." So, in that sense, I really don't mind since it's their tradition and no one outside Korea should really force them to change that since it's not harming anyone. They also have justified resentment against their neighbors that further cemented their skepticism of outsiders.

The problem is your use of the term "liberal". Americans have a weird habit of labeling pretty much everything from slightly-right-of-center all the way left to communism as "liberal". The people I'm talking about are not liberals, they are far-left authoritarians. And as a somewhat disillusioned leftist turned renegade centrist but retaining respect for actual liberal values, I have as little time for far-left bovine excrement as I do for far-right same.

The "Bright World" of North Korea is not so bright as the Supreme Leader would have outsiders believe.

• No freedom of expression

• Widespread discrimination (e.g., "Sogbun")

• Little freedom of movement

• Arbitrary detention and torture

• Restrictions on food -- Forced starvation is used as a weapon

• Kidnapping of foreigners

Source: The indispensible guide to North Korea’s atrocities

I was talking about South Korea. Sorry, I often forget to specify since I'm in a habit of just saying Korea, and referring to the northern half as Choson. My bad.

The it's okay to be white thing flushed out plenty of racists by their reactions.

I've always thought it's a big mistake to go down racial lines with complaining about the American police, not because there's anything wrong with making the comparisons, but because the American police are awful. You can find loads of cases of them gunning down innocent white people, before we even get to the non-lethal police brutality. There's a thread in the news section right now about an 87 year old white woman getting tased because she was cutting dandelions with a knife. Don't let it be just blacks campaigning and demanding merely to be gunned down and brutalised at the same rate as white people, Everyone should be demanding massive change.

1. Some, yes. All, no. It also flushed many who said "it's okay to be white" out as well. Are all who said it racist? No. Did many actual racists use it as well? Without a doubt. The way it was used by some was akin to "blue lives matter." It's akin to "straight pride" that went viral as well. Many homophobes used it, but there were also many non-homophobes who got swept up into it that hopefully learned why there is an "lgbtq pride" as I described.

2. Are both? Yes. This is why I stated poor people since I know for certain many innocent white people are likely profiled due to their impoverished appearance as well - as are white people who are mentally ill and may come off as manic (I may be wrong, but don't people with autism similarly struggle due to this? I think I read that somewhere). However, black americans are more likely to be targeted in the number to population ratio. With that said, I'm guessing you align more with Black Lives Matter than with those who call it a "terrorist organization" and chant "blue lives matter." I do believe there could, and should, be a joint partnership with minorities and white people in combatting law enforcement corruption. There actually likely already is one since civil rights groups partner together and I just don't know the name of those that deal with police corruption beyond Black Lives Matter.

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Yes, I'm just thinking about the unhinged reactions to it.

Actually, if I have to choose one or the other, I'll pick the latter. Now, I would stop just short of calling BLM a terrorist organisation, but if you go to their website and look at what their goals are, unless things have changed since, it's about a lot more than police, that's just step one of many, they want to replace the police and wield the power and reshape society in a very bad way. BLM thankfully I haven't heard about for quite a long time now. But campaigns about the police should be distanced as far from BLM as possible and be solely about police reform.

Since I just edited this into my response. I'm unsure.

But, along with mentally ill who may come off as manic -

Does anyone know if that includes people with autism?

I think I read somewhere that autistic people are one of the groups that police profile, but I'm unsure.

I know bipolar people and schizophrenics definitely are, unsure about autistics but I think so.

"Bright World" (not South Korea) is full of lies and ignorance, often trying to manipulate public opinion by deliberately provoking criticism from others, and then complaining that those others are being aggressive and insulting. There is nothing redeemable. Mr. Kim Jong Un's centralized totalitarian regime would likely fail without subsistence from the PRC, and "Good Riddance" if it did.

Oh, I thought you were replying to me earlier with the North Korean bit, thinking I was talking about that. All right, I guess you were just bringing up North Korea while Korea was mentioned.
Yes, it will fail in time and it will be good; hopefully the people can rebuild something great and as quickly as their neighbor to the south did. The age of Juche must come to an end.