Question regarding last meals on death row
humans are pretty ingenious at making other people suffer while they are being killed, the Japanese with slow-boiling people in oil, the English with drawing & quartering, stretching people to death on the rack, too many examples to list here. back in the days before tv and movies and internet and even print magazines, the public execution was the game of the week for those folks.
Well it's not like we Americans were above that even though we like to believe we are. Didn't we used to stack heavy rocks on top of people and crush them to death to get them to confess to witchcraft during the Salem Witch Trials? That seems pretty torturous.
We also used to beat people with bullwhips as punishment for certain crimes and we would also lock homeless drifters in wooden shackles and let them starve for days while passersby would throw refuse at them.
Maybe humanity, compassion, and empathy isn't something humans were born with since the very beginning? Maybe it's just a behavior we learned or developed over time? I guess in the beginning we were all very cruel and savage and only in recent times have we started feeling bad about it.
it took the lion's share of our time on earth before more than just an enlightened few people learned the golden rule, but a critical mass likely won't be reached before our collective time on earth is up. it will be a new civilization on earth that is the truly great society. not us.
"When pigs fly..." Maybe humans will be replaced with cute little winged pigs who rule the earth in our place?



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if they were all like "Babe" from that cute movie, that'd be a cool thing

Lol but you know honestly I'm learning that most people in the world really aren't so bad. There's plenty of good people who still care or want to care about other people and you just have to give people a chance without judging them too harshly.
A lot of people who do bad things regret it even when they refuse to admit it. Maybe people have always been that way on some level?
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if they were all like "Babe" from that cute movie, that'd be a cool thing

Lol but you know honestly I'm learning that most people in the world really aren't so bad. There's plenty of good people who still care or want to care about other people and you just have to give people a chance without judging them too harshly. A lot of people who do bad things regret it even when they refuse to admit it. Maybe people have always been that way on some level?
it has long been my opinion [for whatever that's worth] that most people are neutral, a minority are bad and a smaller minority are good, and the sheer inertia of the middle is what has kept civilization from succumbing any faster than it has no matter how hard the bad ones work at corrupting the rest of us. that thing about the devil over one shoulder and angel over the other, AFAIC, is a real thing and not just a cartoon trope.



if they were all like "Babe" from that cute movie, that'd be a cool thing

Lol but you know honestly I'm learning that most people in the world really aren't so bad. There's plenty of good people who still care or want to care about other people and you just have to give people a chance without judging them too harshly. A lot of people who do bad things regret it even when they refuse to admit it. Maybe people have always been that way on some level?
it has long been my opinion [for whatever that's worth] that most people are neutral, a minority are bad and a smaller minority are good, and the sheer inertia of the middle is what has kept civilization from succumbing any faster than it has no matter how hard the bad ones work at corrupting the rest of us. that thing about the devil over one shoulder and angel over the other, AFAIC, is a real thing and not just a cartoon trope.
Yeah I know. I'm not religious but I understand what the shoulder angel and shoulder devil represents for all humans. It's a constant battle between your concious and your selfish desires over the choices you make every day. All people have a little bit of good and a little bit of evil in them.
But I think that's exactly why people regret their actions and that is what keeps us from being too evil. Most everybody has regrets about things in life that they wish they could have done differently.
I wonder how many death row inmates actually ask for forgiveness before they are executed? And I wonder if anybody ever actually forgives them for what they did?
They spend years in a tiny cell waiting for their fate and that's a long time to think about what they did to their victims, the victims' families, their own families, and to themselves. Some probably don't feel any guilt at all if they are sociopaths but the ones who are not probably feel a lot of guilt towards the end.
Maybe offering a prisoner a last meal before execution was traditionally a way of symbolizing that he/she was being forgiven before being put to death? I get the feeling that the prison staff who put the inmates to death often feel bad about it too. Maybe they realize that killing somebody legally is still killing too?
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if they were all like "Babe" from that cute movie, that'd be a cool thing

Lol but you know honestly I'm learning that most people in the world really aren't so bad. There's plenty of good people who still care or want to care about other people and you just have to give people a chance without judging them too harshly. A lot of people who do bad things regret it even when they refuse to admit it. Maybe people have always been that way on some level?
it has long been my opinion [for whatever that's worth] that most people are neutral, a minority are bad and a smaller minority are good, and the sheer inertia of the middle is what has kept civilization from succumbing any faster than it has no matter how hard the bad ones work at corrupting the rest of us. that thing about the devil over one shoulder and angel over the other, AFAIC, is a real thing and not just a cartoon trope.
Yeah I know. I'm not religious but I understand what the shoulder angel and shoulder devil represents for all humans. It's a constant battle between your concious and your selfish desires over the choices you make every day. All people have a little bit of good and a little bit of evil in them. But I think that's exactly why people regret their actions and that is what keeps us from being too evil. Most everybody has regrets about things in life that they wish they could have done differently.
according to the latest studies, about 75% of people have a conscience, but roughly 25% [sociopaths/psychopaths/malignant narcissists] don't. it is that 25% responsible for all the mess in this world. they are the critical mass which prevents mankind from evolving sufficient to meet the future intact. a malignant minority of humanity has the rest of us in its thrall.



if they were all like "Babe" from that cute movie, that'd be a cool thing

Lol but you know honestly I'm learning that most people in the world really aren't so bad. There's plenty of good people who still care or want to care about other people and you just have to give people a chance without judging them too harshly. A lot of people who do bad things regret it even when they refuse to admit it. Maybe people have always been that way on some level?
it has long been my opinion [for whatever that's worth] that most people are neutral, a minority are bad and a smaller minority are good, and the sheer inertia of the middle is what has kept civilization from succumbing any faster than it has no matter how hard the bad ones work at corrupting the rest of us. that thing about the devil over one shoulder and angel over the other, AFAIC, is a real thing and not just a cartoon trope.
Yeah I know. I'm not religious but I understand what the shoulder angel and shoulder devil represents for all humans. It's a constant battle between your concious and your selfish desires over the choices you make every day. All people have a little bit of good and a little bit of evil in them. But I think that's exactly why people regret their actions and that is what keeps us from being too evil. Most everybody has regrets about things in life that they wish they could have done differently.
according to the latest studies, about 75% of people have a conscience, but roughly 25% [sociopaths/psychopaths/malignant narcissists] don't. it is that 25% responsible for all the mess in this world. they are the critical mass which prevents mankind from evolving sufficient to meet the future intact. a malignant minority of humanity has the rest of us in its thrall.
I think if people like that did not exist the world would be a much better place. I don't care what anybody says I don't think that a human with no concious who can hurt other humans without feeling guilt has any place in the world.
It's people exactly like that who murdered my Mom's sister and thought he could get away with it.
The man who murdered my aunt was a real sociopath. He also raped my Mom when she was only 13 and he used to abuse my aunt. He basically killed her because she tried to leave him and he stuffed her in a trash bag and set her house on fire trying to dispose of the evidence. To this day he feels no remorse over destroying our family.
I wish that monster would have gotten the death penalty. If anybody deserves it he does.
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what happened to the murderer, if you don't mind the question?
what happened to the murderer, if you don't mind the question?
He's currently in prison. I don't know if he got an actual life sentence or if he might potentially get out some day.
My Mom doesn't really like to talk about what happened to her sister so I don't ask a lot of questions about it. I think it traumatized her more than it did anybody else.
It happened shortly after I was born so I never even got to know my aunt because of him.
Edit: And this man was kind of my Aunt's husband she had two children with him.
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what happened to the murderer, if you don't mind the question?
He's currently in prison. I don't know if he got an actual life sentence or if he might potentially get out some day.
My Mom doesn't really like to talk about what happened to her sister so I don't ask a lot of questions about it. I think it traumatized her more than it did anybody else. It happened shortly after I was born so I never even got to know my aunt because of him.
hopefully he'll rot in there, or if he does get let out, that he'll be too old and feeble to be any danger, and that in any case you get warning that he is released so you can figure out what to do ahead of time.
what happened to the murderer, if you don't mind the question?
He's currently in prison. I don't know if he got an actual life sentence or if he might potentially get out some day.
My Mom doesn't really like to talk about what happened to her sister so I don't ask a lot of questions about it. I think it traumatized her more than it did anybody else. It happened shortly after I was born so I never even got to know my aunt because of him.
hopefully he'll rot in there, or if he does get let out, that he'll be too old and feeble to be any danger, and that in any case you get warning that he is released so you can figure out what to do ahead of time.
I know my grandfather always said he was going to shoot him dead if he ever found out he got released but my grandfather is now in his 80's and living in a nursing home and he is completely bedridden.
Maybe I would be the one to kill him for what he did? I never even met the guy but I absolutely hate him not just for murdering my Aunt who I never got to meet but for what he did to my Mom too. I don't think I'd mind going to prison for that.
I think sociopaths always underestimate people who actually feel empathy and attachment to the ones they love most. They always think they are smarter than everyone else but when you destroy a person's loved one then sometimes that person has nothing to loose by getting back at you for what you did to them.
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American prisons are hellholes, by and large, the country club ones are only for upper middle-class types who screw up and get caught. they are chock-full of scheming sociopaths who always have malice aforethought. not nice places, I definitely hope you NEVER come within a country mile of one!


American prisons are hellholes, by and large, the country club ones are only for upper middle-class types who screw up and get caught. they are chock-full of scheming sociopaths who always have malice aforethought. not nice places, I definitely hope you NEVER come within a country mile of one!


See that's the problem. I don't believe in karma and I quit believing in God a long time ago. I think there are good innocent people in this world who don't deserve for bad things to happen to them but they happen anyways, and then there are really monsterous people who live their entire lives with the world handed to them on a silver platter and they never have to suffer the consequences of the bad things they do.
This world sucks for decent people. I don't think people ever really get what they deserve.
But you most likely don't have to worry about me because I doubt I will ever see the guy even if he does get out. Maybe I'll get lucky and somebody will shank him in prison.
I don't believe in karma but I do believe in luck at least.
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