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Why does the NAACP need to fold up?

The playing field is level. There's nobody in anyone's way. Sure, there are haters out there of all stripes. But there is no reason people with dark skin can't live in the same neighborhoods or hold the same jobs as anyone of any other skin color.

The trends on that are constantly shifting, with new buzzwords for it. It's impossible to always keep up. But that's where you get ideas like "class warfare" and "identity politics." It's completely unnecessary to think in those terms. There's no conspiracy.

Democrats, as representatives of present-day liberal ideology, have a long-standing history of creating problems where there need not be any problems. Who represented the slave owners pre-Civil War? Democrats. Who came up with the New Deal that created the welfare state? Democrats. Who was responsible for disenfranchising blacks after Reconstruction? Democrats. Who sold blacks on promises of "Civil Rights" mid-century? Democrats. Who legislated policies that removed the incentive to work any available job by making welfare more rewarding? Democrats. Public housing that broke up families, gave rise to single-parent households, and provided a breeding ground for gangs, drug dealers, and pimps? Democrats. And NOW all of a sudden you wanna play the good guys who are struggling to fix the problems YOU created???

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Rahm's Law.

If you believe in the lost cause mythology, the wrong side lost etc there is nothing neo about your beliefs. A neo anything is a euphemism for a supporter who has no power or ability to affect the change they want.

Ask African Americans if there's a level playing field today, where they can get any job, or live anywhere they'd like, and you'll get a very different answer.
Sure, Democrats had been the slave owner's party, and they had terrorized and oppressed blacks after the Civil War, but those were hard right conservatives whose descendants have become Republicans. It's a matter of political ideology, not party. So, everything you accuse the Democrats of in olden times can be actually attributed to conservatives.
Let me get this straight... you seriously think the New Deal and civil rights were bad things? !?!?! How is keeping people alive with housing and food under the New Deal bad? How is giving citizens their civil rights which had been denied them due to the color of their skin with the civil rights revolution conceivably bad?
Sure, welfare for minorities has been a mixed bag, but at least plenty of people were provided with a place to live and a means to survive. Please don't tell me how there's a level playing field now that would provide work for every one if they weren't "so lazy."
As I'm only fifty two, I hardly think it's fair to expect me to shoulder responsibility for things you allege were so bad. It's not like I hold you responsible for the brutal lynchings of African Americans throughout the south by white conservatives.

Excuse me, but I'm from the South and I'm a Trump supporter. I don't appreciate being called a "racist idiot". There's nothing racist with supporting someone who's just trying to make life better for all Americans. Whether or not you want to see that fact is entirely up to you, but just know that it is not at all cool to go around slapping the racist label on those who don't share your view of the world. That's all I have to say.

If there's a moderator around, I wish you'd lock this thread because all it's going to do is continue to stir up trouble.

Excellent point. Now you just brainwash them.


No. The Klan (as an example) just happened to fall behind the times. Democrats found they could be more effective in perpetuating the underclass by using the needy rather than outright fighting them. Slaves are more useful alive than dead, right? We gotta be GOOD white supremacists, show them how much they need us, and how much better we are than THOSE guys in the pointy hats, because taking advantage of the ignorant is a much easier way to build up a power base than lynching them.


Entitlement programs, specifically. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to help out other people. The problem is being denied the choice. Civil Rights are the only thing anyone OWED anyone. Nobody had to be granted special privileges. All we needed was for government to actually make sure those rights were protected. What ended up happening is some people ended up "more equal than others."


What's the point of "giving" something to someone that they already have? If Civil Rights was all about civil rights, this wouldn't even be a discussion.


Everyone has the same chance. Wealth knows no racial or ethnic boundaries in this day and time. You can move up, down, or stay where you are. You make the choice. Sure, families break up, jobs dry up, stock markets go up and down, and people just have a bad run of luck. But that's just the world we live in. Doesn't matter the color of skin. It happens to everyone.


No, but my ideological forbears were interested in freedom for ALL US citizens. They saw slavery as immoral. Democrat ideology has favored a collectivist, slave state for a very, very long time--whether collectivism took the form of chattel, white supremacy, or socialist policies that remove the incentive to be productive, I have to wonder if the Civil War ever really ended. Because what I see is slavery continued in a different form. Liberal collectivists look down their noses at minorities in this country, as though minorities lack the mental capacity to do more or improve their situation, that they MUST depend on liberal policies for their basic survival.

That world is long gone. I know plenty people of many ethnicities who have a lot more wealth than I do, and I think that's awesome. Not because they are minorities, but because they are just awesome people by their own right. They aren't restricted by some arbitrary "identity." They walked right past the haters and did what they wanted, not what someone expected. And I know white people that "toe the line" and get nowhere. And I'm at a point in life myself when I'm thinking strongly about giving myself a raise and leaving the Delta. It's just a thought...but there are people, and a lot of them, who ask too often "Who will let me?" The only person stopping me REALLY is myself. Same applies to everyone in this country. I find Democrats more often perpetuate a message of hopelessness, that there is something "wrong" in our society. It's just a myth, pure and simple. We all have the same freedom. Stop lying and telling people they don't.

Everything you've written is either crazy, baseless conspiracy theories about liberals enslaving blacks with civil liberties, or a denial of reality in favor of a fantasy world of meritocracy which should be, but sadly isn't.
No, there is no level playing field for everyone. No, not everyone can become anything they want, even though they should be able to; not when people with privilege don't want them to.
And most certainly, prior to the civil rights movement, blacks and other minority citizens had been denied those rights guaranteed by the constitution. Civil rights are not special rights.
So, you think our society is perfect, with no room for improvement? Conservatives have always opposed change and progress. But here's a quarter to buy a hint - - change is inevitable.

Where have you been? They’ve been calling trump supporters, republicans and southerners racist nazis since 2016 it just gets worse and worse. News and current events is full of such threads.
I’d you don’t agree with them you’re a racist nazi.
Aren’t nazis racist by point? So including racist is odd.

No it’s not and half the change is bad
Banning all guns and eliminating freedom of speech are horrible change and should be fought to the dying breath if needed.
Progressives don’t have anyone’s interest but their own at heart.

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We must agree to disagree, because change is the very nature of life and the world.
I'm not sure how gun rights came into this discussion.

So removing workers rights like corporate wants is change and so you supooet that?
Change does equal what the left says it is. Change can be bad and good.
The right would love to make lots of horrible change same as the left

Also gun ownership is a civil right too and you support striping people of their civil rights
You talked about progressive liberals and their ideas.
Gun ownership is a civil right you oppose despite always claiming to support civil rights

First off, I don't support stripping people of gun rights, or any rights. I would just like to see some responsible common sense exercised.
No I certainly don't approve of stripping workers of their rights. You may recall that I'm the son of a blue collar union man. That sort of change isn't progressive, but is reactionary, perpetrated by the right in order to make the rich richer. It's a matter of turning back the clock on change that right wing reactionaries are working for.

There’s no reasonable restrictions on peoples rights.
There’s no agreeed common sense.
I’d say it’s common sense you don’t let illegals come in and live here you’d disagree
See?

Change is inevitable though right? So corporations using workers like slaves is inevitable. Or you know we could fight the corporate changes

No right is absolute. Freedom of speech does not protect yelling fire in a crowded theater when people could be trampled to death, and owning a rocket launcher shouldn't be covered by the right to own arms.
With the illegal immigration matter, it's all a matter of circumstance. Are they asylum seekers fleeing from not just poverty, but also violence and crime?
Again, corporations using workers like slaves is a matter of reactionaries trying to turn the clock back on change, which tends to be the venue of the right.

What a sad message of hopelessness.

“when people with privilege”

Yeah...There’s the characteristic envy and greed coming out. What other people want matter little when it comes to personal achievement. What matters is what people value. Jazz and blues music had people jumping racial lines long before integration. And that’s only one example.


I believe I said that already...what’s your point?


No, I don’t think society is perfect. Democrats continue to control minorities on the same collectivist principles they were fond of before the war. Yes, change is inevitable. Democrats failed to enslave the body, so they seek to enslave the mind.

My thing is I’m more optimistic regarding humanity than liberals. I don’t see a need for a permanent underclass. I still believe in the potential for all people to see their own worth free of arbitrary definitions of race and color. I have hope that all people may one day see each other as valuable, not just another dollar or just another vote. I have hope that everyone will do what gives them joy. I have hope they’ll benefit from their own work, that other people will find value in that and reward them for it. I have hope that people really want to be innovative and forward-looking.

Nothing is stopping anyone.

Where is your proof?