Kraichgauer
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24 Jan 2019, 5:45 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Don't forget genocide and oppression of the native people.
And another funny thing people don't seem to acknowledge is how in this country rich white people really look down on poor white people (calling us "white trash" etc).
And another funny thing people don't seem to acknowledge is how in this country rich white people really look down on poor white people (calling us "white trash" etc).
Most topics here seem to "look down" on poor white people (Trump's base).
Not all poor whites are part of Trump's base. I don't have a pot to urinate in, and neither do my closest friends, but we're all unabashed liberals. Then again, my wife, my friends and I are all of an artistic bent, and tend to be educated and well read. Trump's fan club would no doubt call us effete.
Me, my mom, my sister and brothers, and even one of my grandmothers who identifies as Republican all hate Trump and we are all poor too.
Good for you all!
But you know, it's been said that the enchantment of the poor and working class for Trump has been overrated. In fact, a great many people of more middle class standing, who live in fear of "the other" taking their entitled social position from them, make up a great number of Trump's supporters.
I think that in a state like Georgia where racist impoverished rednecks are rampant everywhere (of course not every white person in Georgia is a racist redneck, I certainly am not) Trump has pretty much won the majority of people over here for obvious reasons.
I've had to swallow a bitter pill with the realization that the east side of Washington state, where I reside, is much more conservative than most of us wanted to believe. Spokane and the adjacent area has each foot in different regions of the country. One foot is firmly planted on the west coast, with it's culture of cosmopolitan tolerance, while the other is set in the Rocky Mountain west, in particular sharing values and prejudices with Idaho and Montana. While I enjoy the history and romanticism of my region's old west legacy, I find myself culturally in tune with the west coast.
I knew a woman from Montana who was very racist I have an uncle who is a black man who came to visit us in Pensacola, Florida and this woman saw him and called the cops because she assumed he was some sort of criminal trying to break into our house and I was very offended by that...
Is it true that there's not a lot of black people that live in Montana? I've heard that the further north you go in the US the less black people you find unless you're in big cities. Here in the deep south we actually have a very high population of African Americans living in states like Georgia even in small towns like Thomasville and Cairo wh
And there are things I love about Georgia despite the history of slavery and black oppression. Georgia really is a very beautiful and friendly state. I like it better than Florida.
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Interesting.
I think here in the south in places like Georgia even though there is still a lot of racial tension most white people in this area, even the racist ones, are kind of tolerant of being around black people simply because of the fact that there are so many of them in this area and you see them everywhere you go. They work in our schools as teachers, they go to class with you, you see them both as doctors/nurses and as patients in hospitals, they shop and work in the same stores you go to, some are our local police officers, etc.
In a way the south really isn't as racist as we often get portrayed as being on TV, at least not in modern times. I'm very glad for that.
I think it's very commendable that your part of the country has made such great strides.
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Kraichgauer
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24 Jan 2019, 4:24 pm
24 Jan 2019, 4:32 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
Kraichgauer
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24 Jan 2019, 5:16 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
I'm sure Eva Braun wasn't a bad person, either, but look at who she fell in love with.
24 Jan 2019, 5:26 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
I'm sure Eva Braun wasn't a bad person, either, but look at who she fell in love with.
I dunno, I mean she tolerated what Hitler was doing. Plus I heard he allowed her to get away with things that other German women couldn't do like smoking and wearing make-up.
Then again being a woman in the 1930's I think it's possible that she had no choice but to be in that relationship out of fear for her own safety. Just like everyone in Germany had to support the Nazis or else they would have been put to death themselves.
Kraichgauer
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24 Jan 2019, 7:11 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
I'm sure Eva Braun wasn't a bad person, either, but look at who she fell in love with.
I dunno, I mean she tolerated what Hitler was doing. Plus I heard he allowed her to get away with things that other German women couldn't do like smoking and wearing make-up.
Then again being a woman in the 1930's I think it's possible that she had no choice but to be in that relationship out of fear for her own safety. Just like everyone in Germany had to support the Nazis or else they would have been put to death themselves.
I imagine Hitler never casually brought up the Holocaust to her. Everyone knew Jews and others were being herded into camps, and that there were many deaths, but even the participants in the genocide were often astounded by the sheer, unimaginable numbers who were killed in those murder factories - with the exception of Eichmann, Heydrich, Himmler, Hitler, and other top men. I doubt even she knew much about what was really going on.
24 Jan 2019, 7:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
I'm sure Eva Braun wasn't a bad person, either, but look at who she fell in love with.
I dunno, I mean she tolerated what Hitler was doing. Plus I heard he allowed her to get away with things that other German women couldn't do like smoking and wearing make-up.
Then again being a woman in the 1930's I think it's possible that she had no choice but to be in that relationship out of fear for her own safety. Just like everyone in Germany had to support the Nazis or else they would have been put to death themselves.
I imagine Hitler never casually brought up the Holocaust to her. Everyone knew Jews and others were being herded into camps, and that there were many deaths, but even the participants in the genocide were often astounded by the sheer, unimaginable numbers who were killed in those murder factories - with the exception of Eichmann, Heydrich, Himmler, Hitler, and other top men. I doubt even she knew much about what was really going on.
Maybe not. I think in those days men kept their women in the dark about all kinds of things because they were thought of as being as fragile-minded as children by society. People thought that women were too delicate to handle things like war and violent crime.
Man I get depressed everytime I think about what happened to Germany... that was a very f****d up situation. I worry that the same thing could happen to the US one day.
Kraichgauer
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24 Jan 2019, 7:45 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspE wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's pretty much true. The Pacific Northwest, despite having a comparatively decent history concerning black Americans, is for the most part lily white. But there are more black people appearing around the Spokane area these days.
Seriously? Look up sunset laws. Up until about 1968, it could be illegal for a non-white person to be discovered in the town after sundown. In 1923 the KKK drove the one black in Oregon City out of town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
In comparison to other places.
I am well aware of the Klan's presence all over the country with it's rebirth following WWI, including the Pacific Northwest. In fact, one of their recruiters had threatened my grandfather after he and his mother had convinced one of his brothers not to join the KKK. The exact threat was: "A lot of us around here belong to the Klan, Bill (his name was Bill, too). You might find one of your haystacks on fire one night."
My grand dad threatened back, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the Wobblies, too," a reference to his time working in logging camps and on railroad crews. The guy backed off without his friends to back him up.
In my part of the country, it was Native Americans and Asians who were treated much worse than were blacks.
I found out that one of my uncles was a member of the Klu Klux Klan. Luckily I never met the guy because my aunt divorced him many years ago. She was one of my grandmother's sisters so technically this guy was no family to me at all. I found it odd that somebody as sweet as my aunt was once married to a guy like that.
I'm sure Eva Braun wasn't a bad person, either, but look at who she fell in love with.
I dunno, I mean she tolerated what Hitler was doing. Plus I heard he allowed her to get away with things that other German women couldn't do like smoking and wearing make-up.
Then again being a woman in the 1930's I think it's possible that she had no choice but to be in that relationship out of fear for her own safety. Just like everyone in Germany had to support the Nazis or else they would have been put to death themselves.
I imagine Hitler never casually brought up the Holocaust to her. Everyone knew Jews and others were being herded into camps, and that there were many deaths, but even the participants in the genocide were often astounded by the sheer, unimaginable numbers who were killed in those murder factories - with the exception of Eichmann, Heydrich, Himmler, Hitler, and other top men. I doubt even she knew much about what was really going on.
Maybe not. I think in those days men kept their women in the dark about all kinds of things because they were thought of as being as fragile-minded as children by society. People thought that women were too delicate to handle things like war and violent crime.
Man I get depressed everytime I think about what happened to Germany... that was a very f****d up situation. I worry that the same thing could happen to the US one day.
Every country has a Jekyll and Hyde personality type, not just Germany. We all must be on guard against the Id of our collective national psyche.
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