The Alt-Right Playbook

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21 Mar 2019, 10:09 am

It's up to the accuser to decide how alt-right someone is.

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21 Mar 2019, 10:58 am

TW1ZTY wrote:

Until I came to Wrong Planet I didnt even know what an incel was. Yes, there are some incels here.

Before I participated here, I never heard of much of the stuff discussed here either.

Many users seem to have a preoccupation with ...

white people are racist
racist code words (racist "dog whistle")
white supremacy
KKK, confederate, NAZI groups (topics will be labeled "fascism")
white nationalism
Alt-Right

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21 Mar 2019, 4:39 pm

EzraS wrote:

It's up to the accuser to decide how alt-right someone is.

I dunno, maybe there are some sort of alt-right thetan levels they can measure?

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21 Mar 2019, 5:14 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Until I came to Wrong Planet I didnt even know what an incel was. Yes, there are some incels here.

There are quite a few individuals here who have political left leaning affinities...
But there are quite a few threads/posts denouncing socialism also...

Overall, I think there are more innies than outies here...
Err...I mean more lefties than righties...
Old age creeping up on me... :mrgreen:

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21 Mar 2019, 7:58 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

I dunno, maybe there are some sort of alt-right thetan levels they can measure?

I scored over 9000. Which gets you a forum warning level of five here.

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22 Mar 2019, 5:10 pm

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"It's an insightful description of the tactics of people who promote the alt-right online and who argue their talking points for them"

I don't think there are any genuine alt-righters on this forum, just some people who (most likely unwittingly) use their argument tactics. There are a couple who promote a lot of misinformation in the same vein as alt-right ideology by mostly posting "journalism" from extremely questionable (or flat out propaganda) sources, but I don't think they are truly alt-right either. The problem is that by using the same tactics--and often the same talking points--they are normalizing the alt-right, whatever their intentions or true beliefs may be. It's that normalization that I think is dangerous, not just because it might sway people to the far right but also because it reflects poorly on our community which already suffers enough stigma and suspicion, especially after a mass shooting because of how often the public associates autism with acts of anti-social violence like mass shootings and bombings.

And on top of all that, I would like to see the quality of debate on this forum improve. I'm hoping some people might recognize the logical errors they are making in some of these videos and learn how to argue their ideas more effectively.

We had a WP member who hasn't been around for some time who had defended the Alt-Right, claiming that they were just free speech advocates using hyperbole to get their point across. A few other members were out-and-out racists and homophobes who didn't last too long on WP before getting zapped. All of these people I mentioned could probably be counted as Alt-Right.

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22 Mar 2019, 5:17 pm

EzraS wrote:

The propagation seems to be mainly taking place from the left. There's the actual alt-right fringe and then there's the ubiquitous alt-right boogieman propagated by the left. Alt-right rhetoric being defined far more by the left than it is by the actual alt-right fringe.

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

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22 Mar 2019, 6:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

No one here is denying the alt-right exists, and while I don't know everyone here I think almost everyone believes them to be problematic.

However, I think what a lot of center right/republican/conservative commentators are expressing is that they feel constantly attacked by the left as alt-right or alt-right sympathizers for pretty mainstream views like "It's ok for countries to have border walls." Or "capitalism is actually good for human society."

The reaction I tend to see of center left/democrat/liberal commentators is one of the following:

1. Conservatives are stupid and just aren't educated to know why they're wrong. (epitome of arrogance and in many cases untrue)

2. Conservatives are alt-right sympathizers so they should feel bad. (usually untrue, unfortunately some conservatives trend in that direction)

3. Alt-right people do far worst to leftists. (True, but irrelevent to the left's treatment of mainstream conservatism, the proverbial two wrongs don't make a right)

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22 Mar 2019, 6:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

Mate...
Matey...
Both sides tell porkies...

It is a fact of life that people often exaggerate to promote their own political agenda...
On both sides of the political divide...
Moreso when you consider the neurotypical mindset...

My impression is that there are more lefties than righties here, hence the possible reason there is so much talk about the baddies...
I haven't personally seen a greater incidence of posts relating to right-wing politics since Christchurch, but then I haven't been looking for them...<shrug>

Broadening the context beyond this forum:
There is undoubtedly a rise in right-wing sentiment including the alt-right, across the world...

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22 Mar 2019, 6:16 pm

Antrax wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

That is politics...
What can you do? <shrug>
It's a dirty, dirty game with truth sodomy in abundance in all quarters... :wink:

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22 Mar 2019, 7:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

And the left will make sure that it doesn't go away by propagating it as much as possible.

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22 Mar 2019, 7:36 pm

EzraS wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

And the left will make sure that it doesn't go away by propagating it as much as possible.

Just how did the left propagate the Alt-Right? They didn't invent Dylan Roof or the people he murdered, or the Unite The Right rally that resulted in Heather Heyer's death. Those people are creatures of the far right, and they've been digging their claws into mainstream conservative politics in an attempt to become the new mainstream.

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22 Mar 2019, 7:45 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

EzraS wrote:

For conservatives to deny that the Alt-Right poses a problem for their political philosophy won't make that problem go away.

No, conservatives aren't all stupid, but it's undeniable that there has been a growing anti-intellectual movement on the right for some time that has been suspicious of science, see literature and the other arts as effete (remember, neither Trump nor Kushner read much of anything), and has more recently seen higher education as harmful. There have been conservative intellectuals, such as the late William F. Buckley, but he'd have no home among today's right that would rather elect someone they could have a beer with, or who uses vulgar and insulting language that working class people have been stereotyped as using.
There are plenty of conservatives who are against the Alt-Right and Trump, and several of them have left the Republican party because of them. Sadly, congressional Republicans are rarely in their number, apparently putting party over country.
It's despicable that anarchists taking up liberal causes have hassled Republicans, or have even resulted in violence.

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22 Mar 2019, 8:42 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

There have been conservative intellectuals, such as the late William F. Buckley, but he'd have no home among today's right that would rather elect someone they could have a beer with, or who uses vulgar and insulting language that working class people have been stereotyped as using.
There are plenty of conservatives who are against the Alt-Right and Trump, and several of them have left the Republican party because of them. Sadly, congressional Republicans are rarely in their number, apparently putting party over country.

Yeah I can't disagree on the state of the current republican party. William F. Buckley would never have supported the Trump tariffs. People like me call ourselves libertarian now, and I at least voted for Gary Johnson in the last election.

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23 Mar 2019, 12:05 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

You gotta do what you feel is right.

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23 Mar 2019, 2:07 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

You gotta do what you feel is right.

Respectfully disagree...
You gotta do what you *think* is right...

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