Peer-review and publication does not guarantee reliable info

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05 Apr 2019, 1:36 am

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If you're going to criticize Milgram's experiment, please give the proper control experiment to validate the results.


I don't think she was critiquing the design of Milgram's experiment. The results are still being taught to psych students today.

What she was alluding to was in the 1950s the ethical requirements to conduct such a study were not as stringent. Thus the experiment can't be replicated in the same way today as it would breach research code of ethics.

People who were likely to obey the guy in the white lab coat are said to have high levels of a mental condition called Authoritarian Personality Syndrome referring to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. It's likely the millions of supporters of the Nazi party also had high levels of this trait.

Interestingly Trump supporters are more likely to pull the switch in Milgram's experiment or follow authoritarian structures like the Nazi government.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... key-traits



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05 Apr 2019, 5:00 pm

cyberdad wrote:

People who were likely to obey the guy in the white lab coat are said to have high levels of a mental condition called Authoritarian Personality Syndrome referring to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. It's likely the millions of supporters of the Nazi party also had high levels of this trait.


Yep...
The Fuhrerprinzip...

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The Führerprinzip [ˈfyːʀɐpʀɪnˌtsiːp] (About this soundlisten) (German for "leader principle") prescribed the fundamental basis of political authority in the governmental structures of the Third Reich. This principle can be most succinctly understood to mean that "the Führer's word is above all written law" and that governmental policies, decisions, and offices ought to work toward the realization of this end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip



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05 Apr 2019, 5:06 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Antrax wrote:
If you're going to criticize Milgram's experiment, please give the proper control experiment to validate the results.


I don't think she was critiquing the design of Milgram's experiment. The results are still being taught to psych students today.

What she was alluding to was in the 1950s the ethical requirements to conduct such a study were not as stringent. Thus the experiment can't be replicated in the same way today as it would breach research code of ethics.

People who were likely to obey the guy in the white lab coat are said to have high levels of a mental condition called Authoritarian Personality Syndrome referring to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. It's likely the millions of supporters of the Nazi party also had high levels of this trait.

Interestingly Trump supporters are more likely to pull the switch in Milgram's experiment or follow authoritarian structures like the Nazi government.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... key-traits


My mistake, I misread the original post and missed the sentence praising the replication of the experiment. My point stands that running control conditions is usually done if trivial, and if excluded it is because there is great difficulty in determining a control experiment. This also is in regards to the standards of publishing which is not prohibited under peer review.

There certainly is a lot wrong with peer review, but it works well enough especially in more reputable journals.


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05 Apr 2019, 5:21 pm

True but its still probably more reliable than non-peer reviewed information.

That said it is always best to get information from multiple sources and take it all with a grain of salt, it is true just because its peer reviewed doesn't mean its 100% accurate. The peers reviewing may not always be being held to very high standards I mean 'peer reviewed' is sort of vague anyways so how do you know which 'peers' reviewed it and if they are proper peers for the topic?


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05 Apr 2019, 5:31 pm

Yes peer review could probably be improved by;
- more centralised online repositories of journals
- open access research where researchers pay to have their research published (rather than journals charging readers)
- Having a few centralised repositories mean there are international editorial committees to review manuscripts which will be less biased than one editor



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05 Apr 2019, 5:36 pm

Antrax wrote:
[My point stands that running control conditions is usually done if trivial, and if excluded it is because there is great difficulty in determining a control experiment. This also is in regards to the standards of publishing which is not prohibited under peer review


The scientific method allows for various approaches in terms of research design. Testing using a control group is just one approach that is published in the scientific literature. Most commonly applied in clinical drug trials involving a placebo group.