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06 May 2019, 12:23 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

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"Why should any man have the right to control a body that is not physically his own?"

Anti-vaxxers, Christian Scientists, Libertarians, people who oppose laws, etc .... make the same argument. The short answer from George from Seinfeld ...

Argument is non-sequitur. Image does not display.

Please re-state.

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06 May 2019, 12:31 pm

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

"Why should any man have the right to control a body that is not physically his own?"

Anti-vaxxers, Christian Scientists, Libertarians, people who oppose laws, etc .... make the same argument. The short answer from George from Seinfeld ...

Argument is non-sequitur. Image does not display.

Please re-state.

One of George's famous quotes ...

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06 May 2019, 12:34 pm

So ... a random quote from a canceled sit-com is supposed to convince me that men have the right to dictate to women what they can do with their own bodies.

:roll: Get real ...

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06 May 2019, 12:41 pm

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So ... a random quote from a canceled sit-com is supposed to convince me that men have the right to dictate to women what they can do with their own bodies.

:roll:

Get real ...

George's statement is the basic argument of why we have (need) laws that tell people what to do with their bodies.

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06 May 2019, 12:55 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

So ... a random quote from a canceled sit-com is supposed to convince me that men have the right to dictate to women what they can do with their own bodies.

George's statement is the basic argument of why we have (need) laws that tell people what to do with their bodies.

This prompts a new dictionary entry:

civilized (adj): (1) characterized by taste, refinement, or restraint; (2) characterized by one group's exercise of authority over another group's reproductive processes.

What next, one group's exercise of authority over another by virtue of Age, Disability, Gender, Genetic Information, National Origin, Race, Skin Color, Religion, or Sexual Orientation?

Seems rather discriminatory to me.

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06 May 2019, 1:19 pm

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

So ... a random quote from a canceled sit-com is supposed to convince me that men have the right to dictate to women what they can do with their own bodies.

George's statement is the basic argument of why we have (need) laws that tell people what to do with their bodies.

Other laws to protect against "incivility" ...

You can't walk around naked in public.
You can't smoke/drink disallowed substances.
You can't decline vaccines from being shot into your body.

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06 May 2019, 1:20 pm

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Having an 'abortion' at 9 months is murder.

Nobody "aborts" a baby after it's born. And if an abortion is performed in the ninth month, it's always done to save the life of the mother, which does not constitute murder.

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06 May 2019, 1:27 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

So ... a random quote from a canceled sit-com is supposed to convince me that men have the right to dictate to women what they can do with their own bodies.

George's statement is the basic argument of why we have (need) laws that tell people what to do with their bodies.

This prompts a new dictionary entry: civilized (adj): (1) characterized by taste, refinement, or restraint; (2) characterized by one group's exercise of authority over another group's reproductive processes. What next, one group's exercise of authority over another by virtue of Age, Disability, Gender, Genetic Information, National Origin, Race, Skin Color, Religion, or Sexual Orientation? Seems rather discriminatory to me.

Other laws to protect against "incivility" ... You can't walk around naked in public. You can't smoke/drink disallowed substances. You can't decline vaccines from being shot into your body.

Irrelevant. The primary topic of this thread has to with abortion. Thus, the secondary topics have to do with women's reproductive rights and men's attempts to curtail them.

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06 May 2019, 2:49 pm

I'm not talking about saving mothers etc. The bill proposed by the Democrat was for 9 months to be the abortion date.

So let's ask, if a mother thinks 'it's ma bodeh' should she be allowed to have an abortion at 9 months? Does anyone believe that's Ok?

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06 May 2019, 3:06 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

... So let's ask, if a mother thinks 'it's ma bodeh' should she be allowed to have an abortion at 9 months? Does anyone believe that's Ok?

I think that we men should leave the answers to such questions entirely up to the women. After all, we would never need to have abortions, now would we?

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06 May 2019, 3:35 pm

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I can't imagine a mother wanting an abortion when they baby is about term.

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06 May 2019, 4:03 pm

Democrats are being aggressive with abortion rights because with kavanaugh on the court we may face a real challenge to roe v wade and blue states are being proactive and aggressively pushing laws to keep abortion legal if that happens. This means laws like stuff that allows late term abortion. It's not that democrats support killing babies. It's that they want to allow the restrictions to be lax as possible, because tbqh late term abortion is a rarity and normally done for health reasons, and they're merely trying to keep the decision between doctors and patients, knowing people will use it responsibly. Also, the crap about post birth infanticide is just propaganda that's totally made up. No one advocates for that.

The GOP likes to push narratives like that to fire up conservative christians to come out and vote for them. I mean a lot of them don't know any better so they believe the lies.

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06 May 2019, 5:31 pm

Mikah wrote:

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dilating the cervix and extracting it intact

You left out the part where they sever the wriggling baby's spinal cord with scalpel. It smells a lot like induced birth followed by execution to me.

You have to take life in its entirety...
Life is disgusting, agreed...
And had I realised what was waiting for me outside the womb, I would have strangled myself with my own umbilical cord...

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I'm not talking about saving mothers etc. The bill proposed by the Democrat was for 9 months to be the abortion date.

Is this simply more fake news?
I am pro-abortion, but this sounds abominable...

What sort of medical attendants could do such a job if it eventuates?
Pin a Totenkopf patch on their lapel and keep them the hell away from me! :skull:

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06 May 2019, 5:36 pm

Pepe wrote:

Mikah wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

dilating the cervix and extracting it intact

You left out the part where they sever the wriggling baby's spinal cord with scalpel. It smells a lot like induced birth followed by execution to me.

You have to take life in its entirety...
Life is disgusting, agreed...
And had I realised what was waiting for me outside the womb, I would have strangled myself with my own umbilical cord...

Sorry that made me laugh :cry:

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06 May 2019, 5:41 pm

Fnord wrote:

No one has answered my question...

"Why should any man have the right to control a body that is not physically his own?"

It's a pretty stupid, leading question that assumes/pretends the unborn is nothing and has no rights and frames the entire argument as man vs woman rather than, more accurately, child vs mother. What right does the mother have to control the body of her child?

Last time you asked this question I called you on it and as I recall you made some argument about destruction of property and tort laws. I asked why this doesn't apply to the unborn and you ran away in a "is this guy for real omgwhatanazi" huff. You didn't even bother to respond with the boilerplate misreading of John Stuart Mill.

Found it: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=370401&p=8076900#p8076880

I'll ask again. Why doesn't this (battery, assault, law of tort) apply to the unborn? To be scrambled to pieces and forcibly removed is surely battery?
Will you run away from the argument again?

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06 May 2019, 5:45 pm

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And had I realised what was waiting for me outside the womb, I would have strangled myself with my own umbilical cord...

Yes, well... that's not a decision we should be making for others in my opinion.

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