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24 Apr 2019, 10:46 am

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Maybe ... it depends on how prepared you are to defend yourself.


I think I'm starting to wise up and realize that being a pacifist is not a good thing... We all have to protect ourselves and that which we really care about.


pacifism does not rule out defending ones self


Of course not, I'm against violence too. But there are some like Gandhi who take pacifism to the extreme


Gandhi was the head of a non violence movement rather than a pacifist.


So was Martin Luther King Junior, and he got murdered for it.

I think if he could see what's happening in the US now he would turn in his grave.


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24 Apr 2019, 12:45 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Gandhi was the head of a non violence movement rather than a pacifist.
So was Martin Luther King Junior, and he got murdered for it. I think if he could see what's happening in the US now he would turn in his grave.[/quote]Both were assassinated. I believe that both would be in great distress to see the way the world is now.


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24 Apr 2019, 12:53 pm

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Both were assassinated. I believe that both would be in great distress to see the way the world is now.


Yes indeed, I think it's a harsh lesson about the world that we all must learn from.

It reminds me of something I read about the symbolism of the rose online.

The rose represents both love and power. Those who have power without love will become corrupt and cruel, and those who have love without power will be destroyed and victimized. There has to be a balance of both, like the beautiful rose with its sweet petals and sharp thorns.


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24 Apr 2019, 2:54 pm

Chances of a formal war are low. There is no drawn battleline of any sort you can use. Even whites v. Non whites isnt really because there are a significant amount of Hispanics that vote Republican in places like Florida and Asian and Pacific Islander men in general aren't as welcome by the left as the media would like you to believe.

Extended riots between fringe ideological sides like Antifa v. Alt right are probably more likely. Most likely it just remains an online hacking cold war of sorts.

As for who wins, you dont win in such a situation. You just try to not lose if you catch my drift.


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24 Apr 2019, 3:12 pm

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Chances of a formal war are low. There is no drawn battleline of any sort you can use. Even whites v. Non whites isnt really because there are a significant amount of Hispanics that vote Republican in places like Florida and Asian and Pacific Islander men in general aren't as welcome by the left as the media would like you to believe.

Extended riots between fringe ideological sides like Antifa v. Alt right are probably more likely. Most likely it just remains an online hacking cold war of sorts.

As for who wins, you dont win in such a situation. You just try to not lose if you catch my drift.


Given my position in life I probably would lose and end up being a prisoner or a casuality. Unless I could somehow leave before it happens.


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24 Apr 2019, 3:38 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
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Chances of a formal war are low. There is no drawn battleline of any sort you can use. Even whites v. Non whites isnt really because there are a significant amount of Hispanics that vote Republican in places like Florida and Asian and Pacific Islander men in general aren't as welcome by the left as the media would like you to believe.

Extended riots between fringe ideological sides like Antifa v. Alt right are probably more likely. Most likely it just remains an online hacking cold war of sorts.

As for who wins, you dont win in such a situation. You just try to not lose if you catch my drift.


Given my position in life I probably would lose and end up being a prisoner or a casuality. Unless I could somehow leave before it happens.


Yeah but think to yourself how many are in antifa and how many are in the alt right?

You might think a lot. How many of those are duplicates, fakes, bots? I knew one guy who used hundreds of Twitter accounts to convince people his ideas were mainstream.

How many racists showed up in Charlottesville? A tiny amount. Not even a thousand if I heard right. That's a big rally. How many antifa peeps do you see rioting at one time? About the same.

The real numbers of people involved in it are small. The numbers of people that would call violence are even smaller. I wouldnt worry about it.


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24 Apr 2019, 3:54 pm

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There's a lot of hostile tension between the right and the left in the US right now. It's even resulted in some violence and rioting.

Does anybody else feel that a second civil war might possibly one day break out in this country between the Conservative States and Liberal States? Just like the North and South? In this case the line might divide the North, South, and West.

As much as I am pissed off and disillussioned with my country I think that this would be a horrible thing. I mean just imagine how much of the country would have been destroyed and ripped apart during the first Civil War if we had bombs and airplanes back then? :(








...People who talk about thid, an actual CE in the US, tend to more on the right side then left side, I have observed. People who talk about it fo tend to say " It's not that I WANT this to happen...BUT " :twisted: ...an extreme example of this being both Roger Stone and Jim Bakker, who as I posted here about before both made prononcements that if Trump were impeached there would be a violent uprising...Stone did say there would violence on both sides - and said " " It's not 1974 "! !! 8O He was still looking to avenge Tricky Dick after all these years :? ? Bakker underlined his statement with what I interpret as a sorta kinda " Jesus would WANT you to take up armd in defense of Christianity " (by extension, Trump.) statement.
More on the general " extreme right-wingers slobbering for s CW " subject later. I suppose some may have read of
that CW fantasy map that Representative Steve King put up on his site? Although " he didn't put it up, his staff did " :P IIRC.


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24 Apr 2019, 3:59 pm

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TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
There's a lot of hostile tension between the right and the left in the US right now. It's even resulted in some violence and rioting.

Does anybody else feel that a second civil war might possibly one day break out in this country between the Conservative States and Liberal States? Just like the North and South? In this case the line might divide the North, South, and West.

As much as I am pissed off and disillussioned with my country I think that this would be a horrible thing. I mean just imagine how much of the country would have been destroyed and ripped apart during the first Civil War if we had bombs and airplanes back then? :(








...People who talk about thid, an actual CE in the US, tend to more on the right side then left side, I have observed. People who talk about it fo tend to say " It's not that I WANT this to happen...BUT " :twisted: ...an extreme example of this being both Roger Stone and Jim Bakker, who as I posted here about before both made prononcements that if Trump were impeached there would be a violent uprising...Stone did say there would violence on both sides - and said " " It's not 1974 "! ! ! 8O He was still looking to avenge Tricky Dick after all these years :? ? Bakker underlined his statement with what I interpret as a sorta kinda " Jesus would WANT you to take up armd in defense of Christianity " (by extension, Trump.) statement.
More on the general " extreme right-wingers slobbering for s CW " subject later. I suppose some may have read of
that CW fantasy map that Representative Steve King put up on his site? Although " he didn't put it up, his staff did " :P IIRC.


I'm not on either side at the moment. :lol:


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24 Apr 2019, 4:13 pm

ASS-P wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
There's a lot of hostile tension between the right and the left in the US right now. It's even resulted in some violence and rioting.

Does anybody else feel that a second civil war might possibly one day break out in this country between the Conservative States and Liberal States? Just like the North and South? In this case the line might divide the North, South, and West.

As much as I am pissed off and disillussioned with my country I think that this would be a horrible thing. I mean just imagine how much of the country would have been destroyed and ripped apart during the first Civil War if we had bombs and airplanes back then? :(








...People who talk about thid, an actual CE in the US, tend to more on the right side then left side, I have observed. People who talk about it fo tend to say " It's not that I WANT this to happen...BUT " :twisted: ...an extreme example of this being both Roger Stone and Jim Bakker, who as I posted here about before both made prononcements that if Trump were impeached there would be a violent uprising...Stone did say there would violence on both sides - and said " " It's not 1974 "! ! ! 8O He was still looking to avenge Tricky Dick after all these years :? ? Bakker underlined his statement with what I interpret as a sorta kinda " Jesus would WANT you to take up armd in defense of Christianity " (by extension, Trump.) statement.
More on the general " extreme right-wingers slobbering for s CW " subject later. I suppose some may have read of
that CW fantasy map that Representative Steve King put up on his site? Although " he didn't put it up, his staff did " :P IIRC.


Because Jim Bakker has his food buckets he needs to sell. And a good war can get him more customers, lol.


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24 Apr 2019, 4:34 pm

I won't be worried until congressman starting beating each other to a pulp on the house floor.


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24 Apr 2019, 4:43 pm

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We’ve had many “little flames”—and some pretty big ones—like the Detroit riots of 1967, where they had to call up the National Guard.

Read up on the various riots of the 60s.

If ever there was potential for a nationwide civil war, that was the time.

It didn’t happen.

What’s going on now is nothing compared to what was going on then.


The 'long, hot summer of 1967'
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n the first nine months of the year, the federal government recorded 164 "civil disorders" in 34 states. But tensions peaked during the sweltering summer months, fueling a wave of violent protests in more than 150 cities. It would become known as the "long, hot summer of 1967."

The National Guard was deployed in at least a dozen states; news networks broadcast footage of troops descending upon the chaotic streets of Detroit alongside scenes from the Vietnam War.

"No one is safe on the streets, in his home, or on his property," Sen. Everett Dirksen (R-Ill.) said early that summer. "We are rapidly approaching a state of anarchy."

By the time the smoke cleared in September, the tally of destruction was staggering — at least 83 dead, thousands injured, and tens of millions of dollars in property damage, with entire neighborhoods burned to the ground.


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The shootings led to protests on college campuses throughout the United States, and a student strike, causing more than 450 campuses across the country to close with both violent and non-violent demonstrations.[10] A common sentiment was expressed by students at New York University with a banner hung out of a window that read, "They Can't Kill Us All." On May 8, 11 people were bayonetted at the University of New Mexico by the New Mexico National Guard in a confrontation with student protesters. Also on May 8, an antiwar protest at New York's Federal Hall National Memorial held at least partly in reaction to the Kent State killings was met with a counter-rally of pro-Nixon construction workers (organized by Peter J. Brennan, later appointed U.S. Labor Secretary by President Nixon), resulting in the Hard Hat Riot. Shortly after the shootings took place, the Urban Institute conducted a national study that concluded the Kent State shooting was the first nationwide student strike in U.S. history; over 4 million students protested and hundreds of American colleges and universities closed during the student strikes. The Kent State campus remained closed for six weeks.

Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C., against the war and the killing of unarmed student protesters. Ray Price, Nixon's chief speechwriter from 1969 to 1974, recalled the Washington demonstrations saying, "The city was an armed camp. The mobs were smashing windows, slashing tires, dragging parked cars into intersections, even throwing bedsprings off overpasses into the traffic down below. This was the quote, student protest. That's not student protest, that's civil war." Not only was the President taken to Camp David for two days for his own protection, but Charles Colson (Counsel to President Nixon from 1969 to 1973) stated that the military was called up to protect the Nixon Administration from the angry students; he recalled that "The 82nd Airborne was in the basement of the executive office building, so I went down just to talk to some of the guys and walk among them, and they're lying on the floor leaning on their packs and their helmets and their cartridge belts and their rifles cocked and you're thinking, 'This can't be the United States of America. This is not the greatest free democracy in the world. This is a nation at war with itself.'"


If anything is to happen it would be a gradual slide into anarchy rather then civil war.


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24 Apr 2019, 5:31 pm

I'm starting to think by 2030 we will be in another Great Depression with this bad economy and possibly another World War. Let's hope we don't blow the planet up to smitherines.


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24 Apr 2019, 5:49 pm

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I won't be worried until congressman starting beating each other to a pulp on the house floor.

Politicians are all on the same side they just put on a show of disagreement. So that’ll never happen


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24 Apr 2019, 6:00 pm

They pretend to want and hate the same things we do.


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