10 Jun 2019, 5:18 pm
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Twilightprincess wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Many say that the origins of Hell as well as other tenets of Christianity come from Zoroastrianism.
Don't all abrahamic religions have similar beliefs? Not exactly the same but kind of similar?
I once talked to a muslim guy from Kuwait who explained to me some of his Islamic religous beliefs and it was very similar to Christianity. In fact I didn't know muslims actually believe in Jesus but they view him as a prophet and not the messiah.
But I also met a couple of wiccans/pagans who believed Jesus was actually a witch, and the original pre-King James written quote was not "Though shall not suffer a witch to live" but "though shall not suffer a poisoner to live".
The King James Bible was mistranslated to all hell.
There certainly are a lot of similarities in abrahamic religions because they were influenced by surrounding religions, but I am very far from being an expert on this topic.
Lol Yeah Im no expert either, but I have a curiosity with all religion, myths, and folklore.
I recently took an interest in the Seven Lucky Japanese Gods Ebisu, Daikokuten, Bishamonten, Benzaiten, Fukurokuju, Jurojin, and Hotei. They are a form of syncretism too, a combination of deities from various Asian countries like China and India that made their way to Japan.
Benzaiten is my favorite as she is only goddess in the group (the Smurfette lol
) She's a beautiful goddess of art, music, and culture, but also a powerful war goddess who protects cities.So she is both a geisha and an onna bugeisha. A female warrior and a beautiful entertainer.
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10 Jun 2019, 5:34 pm
Benzaiten with her lute.
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10 Jun 2019, 5:45 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
A slight diversion from the topic:
There's a "Hell" in Grand Cayman---of the Cayman Islands.
There's a "Hell" in Grand Cayman---of the Cayman Islands.
It's what I do best.
In the American Civil War there was a POW camp located in New York called Elmira that was nicknamed "Hellmira" because of the horrible and abusive living conditions that caused many Confederates prisoners imprisoned there to die. They were starved and left to freeze to death out in the snow as they had to sleep in tents, and disease spread rampant among the prisoners. To add insult to injury families would bring their children and pay the guards so that they could watch the prisoners like a big tourist attraction.
Basically it was the Union's version of the Confederate's Andersonville.
War is indeed hell.
10 Jun 2019, 5:46 pm
10 Jun 2019, 5:47 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
The Sumerians had an underworld place named "Kur"-----where the residents supposedly ate only dust.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
Were they as old or older than Mesopotamia?
10 Jun 2019, 5:51 pm
10 Jun 2019, 5:57 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
The Sumerians had an underworld place named "Kur"-----where the residents supposedly ate only dust.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
Were they as old or older than Mesopotamia?
They were the very people who founded Mesopotamian civilization at the start of the Bronze age circa 3000 BC.
They founded the first city states, then semitic speaking tribes (Akkadians) muscled into the region and built there own later city states in the culture model of the Sumerians, and gradually absorbed the Sumerians.
10 Jun 2019, 5:59 pm
Misslizard wrote:
Many Hells in Buddhism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
Interesting.
The Ancient Greeks believed in an underworld ruled by the God of Death Hades and his wife Persephone, but I don't believe it was truly a "hell". The dead had to pay the ferryman Charon coins to ride his boat across the river Styx (hence why they were always burried with coins in their mouth, without money they had to wait 100 years) and once they got there they were taken good care of. They lived as if everything was OK eating food and drinking water reserved specifically for the dead living in the underworld. Once you ate the food you could never leave the underworld, and when you drank the water you would forget your past life.
10 Jun 2019, 6:01 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
The Sumerians had an underworld place named "Kur"-----where the residents supposedly ate only dust.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
The Sumerians were considered one of the first ethnic groups to have created a "civilization."
Their language is considerate an "isolated cognate"--but Akkadian (which was contemporaneous with Sumerian, then superseded Sumerian through conquest) was a Semitic language.
Were they as old or older than Mesopotamia?
They were the very people who founded Mesopotamian civilization at the start of the Bronze age circa 3000 BC.
They founded the first city states, then semitic speaking tribes (Akkadians) muscled into the region and built there own later city states in the culture model of the Sumerians, and gradually absorbed the Sumerians.
Interesting.
10 Jun 2019, 6:29 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Many Hells in Buddhism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
Interesting.
The Ancient Greeks believed in an underworld ruled by the God of Death Hades and his wife Persephone, but I don't believe it was truly a "hell". The dead had to pay the ferryman Charon coins to ride his boat across the river Styx (hence why they were always burried with coins in their mouth, without money they had to wait 100 years) and once they got there they were taken good care of. They lived as if everything was OK eating food and drinking water reserved specifically for the dead living in the underworld. Once you ate the food you could never leave the underworld, and when you drank the water you would forget your past life.
Hades ruled the underworld which was mostly just a gloomy place filled with ordinary dead folks. However, within the underworld was Tartarus a dungeon where the truly wicked were punished. The most two famous are the punishment of Sisyphus (constantly rolling a boulder up a hill only for it to roll down again) and Tantalus (Submerged chest deep in water beneath a fruit tree he was constantly thirsty and starving, whenever he tried to drink from the water the level fell so that he could not drink, and whenever he tried to grab fruit from the tree the branches rose so that he could not take of them it is from his name we get the word tantalizing). Tartarus was also the prison of the titans after their defeat by the gods.
The Christian hell is likely based on the Zoroastrian concept, although a version of hell appears in many religions around the world. The word itself is from the Norse Realm Hel ruled by the Goddess Hel daughter of Loki. In Norse religion, Valhalla was the afterlife for those who died in battle while Hel is the afterlife for those who died from other causes.
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