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22 Oct 2019, 4:33 pm

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... I was thinking--only half a joke here--but regarding women deciding their own reproductive rights. Neat thought. But I don't want to see MEN decide THEIR own reproductive rights...
Why not?

OUR reproductive rights end where theirs begin, and involve only whether or not we practice contraception.

We have no "right" to women's bodies -- only the privilege they grant us -- even for reproduction.

The "Incel Crowd" be damned.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:34 pm

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I'll just fish around and under the sofa cushions, then.

Try keyboards.
I did, but most of the crumbs were too small, and those that weren't kept moving.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:38 pm

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I'll just fish around and under the sofa cushions, then.

Try keyboards.
I did, but most of the crumbs were too small, and those that weren't kept moving.

:lmao: You win. I'm making a sandwich for you!


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22 Oct 2019, 4:52 pm

magz wrote:
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I'll just fish around and under the sofa cushions, then.

Try keyboards.
I did, but most of the crumbs were too small, and those that weren't kept moving.

:lmao: You win. I'm making a sandwich for you!



And what race are you making the sandwich out of?



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22 Oct 2019, 4:56 pm

I like to visit old graveyards, love the art and the work that went into the stone.

What I noticed was a lot of children dying before 5 and taking their mother with them.

The man would be 1805-1884 and there would be like 10 kids under 5 and 4 wives who died in childbirth.

It HAS to be her choice and her choice alone.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:59 pm

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I like to visit old graveyards, love the art and the work that went into the stone.

What I noticed was a lot of children dying before 5 and taking their mother with them.

The man would be 1805-1884 and there would be like 10 kids under 5 and 4 wives who died in childbirth.

It HAS to be her choice and her choice alone.

In my country, the man of that time died in some war, so gender balance was better.


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22 Oct 2019, 5:08 pm

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I like to visit old graveyards, love the art and the work that went into the stone.

What I noticed was a lot of children dying before 5 and taking their mother with them.

The man would be 1805-1884 and there would be like 10 kids under 5 and 4 wives who died in childbirth.

It HAS to be her choice and her choice alone.

In my country, the man of that time died in some war, so gender balance was better.


I'm Scottish and we've been cannon fodder for ever English army(British) army since 1707.

Scots are like greeks, show me a shore we have no spilled our blood upon.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:26 pm

Back to the topic...

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Anyway, for me, the biggest question related to abortion is: when does a fetus become a human?
Don't ask me! I'm only a man!

I assure you that women don't have any natural knowledge on the topic that would be fundamentally absent in men.

Ancient Romans believed there was nothing wrong in abandoning a newborn to die. Ancient Egyptians disagreed. Medieval thinkers put some arbitrary limit. Aboriginal Australians believe the "soul enters the body" when movement of the child is felt for the first time.
What are our answers?


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22 Oct 2019, 5:29 pm

We use science.

Can the fetus survive outside of the host body, no, then the decision rests with the host body owner.

I'd allow abortions up to how ever many weeks the woman/host body wishes, it's her BODY.
It's like saying tapeworms should get a say.
Tapeworms are flat, ribbon-like worms that can live in your gut if you swallow their eggs or small, newly hatched worms.

When you break it down using logic.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:32 pm

I am inclined to believe that if a baby is viable outside the womb----then that baby MUST survive. He must not be "aborted."

Abortion is not something that's very delightful for me. I really feel the easiest solution is taking the "morning after" pill if you don't want a baby.

Yes, I do believe in a woman's right to choose.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:32 pm

Technology is changing... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105650.htm

Tapeworms never become humans.


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22 Oct 2019, 5:34 pm

Tapeworms are a lifeform, why should they be removed if they are living there in your stomach?



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22 Oct 2019, 5:35 pm

I'm not vegan.


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22 Oct 2019, 5:37 pm

What is so special about a human fetus growing in it's host that elevates it above the wishes of the adult female fuly grown human carrying it?

Your god?



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22 Oct 2019, 5:39 pm

I'm not a pro-lifer----but I believe there is justification for their position.

Though there is no justification for anybody bombing abortion clinics.



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22 Oct 2019, 5:40 pm

I'm a nonbeliever.
I just ask questions I don't believe have easy answers.


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