09 Dec 2019, 2:41 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
Once again, just because my culture treats animals inhumanely doesn’t mean that it’s okay for another to. Both are wrong, and I’m right for saying so.
I have a major problem with the killing of the bulls in Spain.
Barbaric.
I root for the bulls in the running of the bulls tradition.
09 Dec 2019, 5:33 pm
09 Dec 2019, 6:23 pm
So if children are starving to death in my country, I can’t also be upset about children starving in another country?
It looks like we’re going to need to separate WP members off by country so as to only address issues of our own particular country. 
I’m not that tribal.
09 Dec 2019, 7:16 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
So if children are starving to death in my country, I can’t also be upset about children starving in another country?
It looks like we’re going to need to separate WP members off by country so as to only address issues of our own particular country.
I’m not that tribal.
It looks like we’re going to need to separate WP members off by country so as to only address issues of our own particular country.
I’m not that tribal.
Ooh.
First, you can be upset about whatever you want. The question is whether you want to tell someone to stop something that that other person is doing to perform his cultural identity.
Being upset and being prescriptive are different things.
And there are good arguments that the children starving in our respective countries are collateral damage of the way our cultures function, - that's what critics of capitalism are about.
But there is the matter of scale - I'm struggling with justifying prescribing someone how to kill his dinner, if on the other hand I'm inactive in regards to the millions of animals being tortured because of my own culture in the name of the tradition of eating meat three times a day that can be, in my country, traced back all the way to the post-war boom of the 1950s.
If that person were to tell me that we are much more monstrous than him, I would have to agree.
I feel like you're willfully misunderstanding me... But maybe you aren't.
09 Dec 2019, 7:27 pm
09 Dec 2019, 10:00 pm
shlaifu wrote:
Ooh.
First, you can be upset about whatever you want. The question is whether you want to tell someone to stop something that that other person is doing to perform his cultural identity.
First, you can be upset about whatever you want. The question is whether you want to tell someone to stop something that that other person is doing to perform his cultural identity.
Australian aboriginal culture has been reformed to some degree.
Spear throwing, as an example.
This tradition hasn't been eradicated under Australian law in the more remote places of Australia, but I doubt that it is considered acceptable practice by the establishment.
Were it done in Redfern, Sydney, I doubt the police would just shrug and walk away.
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Tribal punishment, customary law & payback
Aboriginal tribal law is often seen as harsh and brutal, but it ensured order and discipline. Payback is the most known form of customary law. Payback has survived until today and is still practiced which leads to conflicts between white law and tribal law.
Tribal punishments
Spearing
One of the traditional tribal punishments is spearing where the victim gets speared into the leg. This type of punishment is often shown in Aboriginal movies and imposed if you don't follow the tribal law.
Aboriginal man Henry Long knows a thing or two about receiving a spearing.
"I got speared in the leg, too, for being cheeky. I got hit on the head, too, by all my old people. The spear came out of the calf of the leg. My old father did that. I was a cheeky bloke fighting the other fellas over some silly things I been doing in my young days. I was going with the wrong girls. My skin group is Milangka. I was with someone from a wrong skin group...
Source: Tribal punishment, customary law & payback - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aborig ... aw-payback
Aboriginal tribal law is often seen as harsh and brutal, but it ensured order and discipline. Payback is the most known form of customary law. Payback has survived until today and is still practiced which leads to conflicts between white law and tribal law.
Tribal punishments
Spearing
One of the traditional tribal punishments is spearing where the victim gets speared into the leg. This type of punishment is often shown in Aboriginal movies and imposed if you don't follow the tribal law.
Aboriginal man Henry Long knows a thing or two about receiving a spearing.
"I got speared in the leg, too, for being cheeky. I got hit on the head, too, by all my old people. The spear came out of the calf of the leg. My old father did that. I was a cheeky bloke fighting the other fellas over some silly things I been doing in my young days. I was going with the wrong girls. My skin group is Milangka. I was with someone from a wrong skin group...
Source: Tribal punishment, customary law & payback - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aborig ... aw-payback
Interference into aboriginal cultural traditions has happened and I think there is a need to intervene in cases of *animal cruelty*.
One needs to take the context into consideration.
European type laws have been modernised also to reflect the changing cultural attitudes. <shrug>
Just my opinion.
Don't spear the messenger.
09 Dec 2019, 10:07 pm
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09 Dec 2019, 10:13 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Animals hold a high status in aboriginal mythology.
I would have thought this was the case.
Just a guess,
But I thought aboriginal culture had a spiritual connection with the animals and the environment which engendered respect.
I find intentional animal cruelty incongruent with this. <shrug>
I think this situation is about a cruel individual who’s finding a loophole to avoid getting into trouble. This isn’t some complex cultural issue.
I agree.
As I have said previously, to me, this is as "Black and White" as it gets, pun intended.
Politics.
