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Will antichrist celebrate Christmas?
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23 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm

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There is an element of divinity to Santa Claus—don’t you think?



Don't know about divinity but I wish Santa Claus was an integral part of Channukah. Ho ho ho.


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23 Dec 2019, 1:17 pm

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I don’t think this is occurring, personally.

I’m not a great lover of Christmas....but don’t blow it for those who love Christmas.

Nobody is going to get a slap on the face for bringing joy to little children or the homeless during the Christmas season.


I didn't say they will be punished for celebrating Christmas, I said they will be punished despite it. Quite frankly I don't think Jesus cares whether you celebrate Christmas or not, since Bible doesn't say to do it or not to. However Jesus has plenty of issues against todays society (sexual immorality and greed and all that other stuff -- plus of course mark of the beast, whatever it happens to be). Yet, despite the fact that Jesus views antichrists followers as His enemies, they would still celebrate Chrstmas since they aren't aware of it. And that would be their ultimate slap on their face. They would be greeting Jesus with all their Christmas carols but Jesus would be like "nope, not buying it, you are my enemies".


So Jesus would view these people as “His enemies” but they “would still celebrate Christmas since they aren’t aware of it?”

Being punished for not being aware of something doesn’t sound fair.

I remember members of my former faith ghoulishly looking forward to Armageddon when God would kill all those who didn’t listen.

I found this attitude chilling to say the least...


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23 Dec 2019, 2:47 pm

Not only will he celebrate it, he'll talk endlessly about a 'War on Christmas'. :wink:


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23 Dec 2019, 3:19 pm

Mr. and Mrs. Claus will be cast into the pit of fire along with all those charming and personified reindeer.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:43 pm

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Maybe we should collide antiChrist with Christ for high energy gamma rays?


That'll only turn him into the Hulk.


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23 Dec 2019, 3:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
magz wrote:
Maybe we should collide antiChrist with Christ for high energy gamma rays?


That'll only turn him into the Hulk.


Den tha mou árese ótan eímai thymoménos
Cum iratus sum vobis, ut non.

(erm, Aramaic would be more appropriate, but all I've got are Greek and Latin)


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23 Dec 2019, 11:04 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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magz wrote:
Maybe we should collide antiChrist with Christ for high energy gamma rays?


That'll only turn him into the Hulk.


Den tha mou árese ótan eímai thymoménos
Cum iratus sum vobis, ut non.

(erm, Aramaic would be more appropriate, but all I've got are Greek and Latin)


Translation?


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24 Dec 2019, 12:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
magz wrote:
Maybe we should collide antiChrist with Christ for high energy gamma rays?


That'll only turn him into the Hulk.


Den tha mou árese ótan eímai thymoménos
Cum iratus sum vobis, ut non.

(erm, Aramaic would be more appropriate, but all I've got are Greek and Latin)


Translation?


“You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry”?


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24 Dec 2019, 12:12 am

Fnord wrote:
QFT wrote:
Will antichrist celebrate Christmas?
Why don't you ask him? Here's his address:

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


:D


:D indeed


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24 Dec 2019, 1:27 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
QFT wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t think this is occurring, personally.

I’m not a great lover of Christmas....but don’t blow it for those who love Christmas.

Nobody is going to get a slap on the face for bringing joy to little children or the homeless during the Christmas season.


I didn't say they will be punished for celebrating Christmas, I said they will be punished despite it. Quite frankly I don't think Jesus cares whether you celebrate Christmas or not, since Bible doesn't say to do it or not to. However Jesus has plenty of issues against todays society (sexual immorality and greed and all that other stuff -- plus of course mark of the beast, whatever it happens to be). Yet, despite the fact that Jesus views antichrists followers as His enemies, they would still celebrate Chrstmas since they aren't aware of it. And that would be their ultimate slap on their face. They would be greeting Jesus with all their Christmas carols but Jesus would be like "nope, not buying it, you are my enemies".


So Jesus would view these people as “His enemies” but they “would still celebrate Christmas since they aren’t aware of it?”

Being punished for not being aware of something doesn’t sound fair.


Well, its not about "not being aware" but rather "not believing". I am sure they heard of those "bible thumbers" that they look down on. Yet they think they still love Jesus since they celebrate Christmas. So they chose to believe in lukewarm Jesus, and since the real Jesus isn't lukewarm He doesn't like it.

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I remember members of my former faith


By the way I am just curious, what denomination are you referring to by your "former faith community"?

Nothing personal, I am just fascinated with exploring various sects. Me personally, I am fascinated with Sabbaterian sects due to my Jewish background. In particular I go to Messianic church, Seventh Day Adventist Church and United Church of God. I don't believe in the last two churches since I think Armstrong and Ellen White are both false prophets (I don't believe in modern prophets in general) but I still like to go there since I was born Jewish and they follow aspects of Jewish law.

Few years ago when I was living in a town without any of those churches nearby I went to Church of Christ -- because I read online it was supposed to be a cult, and being a cult is a good thing in my book. But, to my disappointment, it didn't look like a cult. I also went to Southern Baptist Church just to compare them, and it didn't look like either of them was more strict than the other. I actually asked this question and they told me that there are different types of Churches of Christ -- they even admitted original Boston Movement was a cult yet they said they aren't. But I am not sure what to think, I guess they are a biased source so I just don't know. All I know is that that specific church didn't look like anything special.

Aside from that, I am also fascinated with Jehovah Wittnesses as well. Partly because the idea that "Jesus is Messiah and not God" is attractive, given my Jewish background (although I believe Him to be God just in case). But I guess the fact that they aren't sabbaterian kinda ruins it, so I only attended that church just a couple of times. I attended Mormon church as well a few times but I don't like them that much, their idea that we will all be gods feels kinda ridiculous; I only came to that church because I ran into the missionaries on the street and they invited me, so I wouldn't pass that opportunity.

But in any case, what about yourself, what denomination were you a part of?



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24 Dec 2019, 1:42 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
magz wrote:
Maybe we should collide antiChrist with Christ for high energy gamma rays?


That'll only turn him into the Hulk.


Den tha mou árese ótan eímai thymoménos
Cum iratus sum vobis, ut non.

(erm, Aramaic would be more appropriate, but all I've got are Greek and Latin)


Translation?


“You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry”?


Yes indeed; winner winner chicken dinner.


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24 Dec 2019, 1:52 am

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Personally I think he will. Antichrist will be an epitome of a pop culture and Christmas is very much part of it. What a slap on the face would it be when antichrist's followers will welcome Jesus with all their gingle bells only for Jesus to destroy them. Maybe that slap on their face will be part of their punishment?


I thought Antichrist was a branch of The Satan as in, someone who is against something. I guess it’s more specifically related to Christianity, but other religions celebrate Christmas too. The way I see it, everyone is for something, the person against the other person is the Antichrist. This makes everyone the Antichrist, but everyone still celebrates Christmas. So yes. Yes, AntiChrist does.



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24 Dec 2019, 2:11 am

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Actually most mainline Protestants believe the same thing about Revelations as do Lutherans.


My background is Jewish and I came to believe in Jesus by online sites, so I guess I don't have an experience being raised this way. But when I either talk to Christians on dating sites, or read Christian websites, or come to churches, it seems like most people believe antichrist is in the future. Even Christian message boards have "end time chat" forum -- meaning we are at the end times and antichrist is about to come.

I met only one person that told me he believed in preterism -- the one who leads a bible study group at the university I am currently go to. So I was assuming he was the only one out of all the people I met. Perhaps my assumption is wrong: after all I wasn't asking every single person I met about it, I was just assuming they believe in the end times like I do. But my assumption was confirmed enough times to make it appear like a majority's belief.

Do you have any statistics how many percents of people believe revelation is in the future and how many percents believe it is in the past? I would prefer denomination-by-denomination statistics since I am sure numbers vary in different denominations and I would like to compare them.



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24 Dec 2019, 2:17 am

QFT wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Actually most mainline Protestants believe the same thing about Revelations as do Lutherans.


My background is Jewish and I came to believe in Jesus by online sites, so I guess I don't have an experience being raised this way. But when I either talk to Christians on dating sites, or read Christian websites, or come to churches, it seems like most people believe antichrist is in the future. Even Christian message boards have "end time chat" forum -- meaning we are at the end times and antichrist is about to come.

I met only one person that told me he believed in preterism -- the one who leads a bible study group at the university I am currently go to. So I was assuming he was the only one out of all the people I met. Perhaps my assumption is wrong: after all I wasn't asking every single person I met about it, I was just assuming they believe in the end times like I do. But my assumption was confirmed enough times to make it appear like a majority's belief.

Do you have any statistics how many percents of people believe revelation is in the future and how many percents believe it is in the past? I would prefer denomination-by-denomination statistics since I am sure numbers vary in different denominations and I would like to compare them.


By mainline Protestants, I'm referring to non-evangelical Protestants, such as Lutherans, Episcopalians/Anglicans, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and others. From what you've written, it seems most of your contacts are with Baptists, Pentecostals, and other evangelical groups.


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24 Dec 2019, 2:26 am

Brivae wrote:
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Personally I think he will. Antichrist will be an epitome of a pop culture and Christmas is very much part of it. What a slap on the face would it be when antichrist's followers will welcome Jesus with all their gingle bells only for Jesus to destroy them. Maybe that slap on their face will be part of their punishment?


I thought Antichrist was a branch of The Satan as in, someone who is against something. I guess it’s more specifically related to Christianity, but other religions celebrate Christmas too. The way I see it, everyone is for something, the person against the other person is the Antichrist. This makes everyone the Antichrist, but everyone still celebrates Christmas. So yes. Yes, AntiChrist does.


First of all, anti doesn't mean against it means in place of. In particular, antichrist will claim to be Christ. In this case, he will be FOR Christ -- I mean he is FOR himself, and he claims to be Christ so logic says he is FOR Christ. But the real Christ won't like it since he will be an imposter.

But even if "anti" did mean against; anti-something wouldn't imply anti-Christ since something is not Christ. So being anti-Hindu isn't anti-Christ. Only being anti-Christian would be anti-Christ.

But once again, that is "even if" clause. I still don't think anti is against. I think antichrist might be Christian since he will be Christs imposter and you can't be Christs imposter unless you are Christian. Although its possible he will be Jewish instead, since Jews wouldn't follow a Christian. But then how would Christians follow him if he won't be a Christian? Perhaps he will persuade people through miracles; Bible says he will call lightning from heaven to earth so that would be persuasive. In which case he can be either Christian or Jewish or any other religion and convert people through miracle. But yes Christianity is definitely in the list of the possibilities, which is the point.



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24 Dec 2019, 2:36 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
QFT wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Actually most mainline Protestants believe the same thing about Revelations as do Lutherans.


My background is Jewish and I came to believe in Jesus by online sites, so I guess I don't have an experience being raised this way. But when I either talk to Christians on dating sites, or read Christian websites, or come to churches, it seems like most people believe antichrist is in the future. Even Christian message boards have "end time chat" forum -- meaning we are at the end times and antichrist is about to come.

I met only one person that told me he believed in preterism -- the one who leads a bible study group at the university I am currently go to. So I was assuming he was the only one out of all the people I met. Perhaps my assumption is wrong: after all I wasn't asking every single person I met about it, I was just assuming they believe in the end times like I do. But my assumption was confirmed enough times to make it appear like a majority's belief.

Do you have any statistics how many percents of people believe revelation is in the future and how many percents believe it is in the past? I would prefer denomination-by-denomination statistics since I am sure numbers vary in different denominations and I would like to compare them.


By mainline Protestants, I'm referring to non-evangelical Protestants, such as Lutherans, Episcopalians/Anglicans, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and others. From what you've written, it seems most of your contacts are with Baptists, Pentecostals, and other evangelical groups.


The last few months I was also watching youtube videos by Russian Orthodox that talk about the danger of biometric passports because they are the mark of the beast. So Russian Orthodox are even more vigilant than Evangelicals, since Evangelicals think microchip implant is the mark while E-passport is only a precursor but not really a mark, while Russian Orthodox think that E-passport is already a mark. But in any case, the point is that Russian Orthodox also clearly think antichrist is in the future -- despite the fact that they aren't evangelicals.

Also, a few weeks ago, I overheard a black waitress at the Dennys talk about Revelation so I asked her about it, and yes she believes we are at the end times and antichrist is coming. But she is Catholic. And, speaking of Catholics, back in 2001 I saw a website warning about microchip implant, and that website was ran by Catholics as well.