Are we going to live in a world ruled by China?

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11 Apr 2020, 7:18 am

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Yeah: mostly dockyards and service infrastructure, think it’s only dockyards that they own outright though.

As far as I’m aware the situation is similar in parts of Africa.


They own a port in Darwin (Australia), now.
Our Australian watchdogs dropped the ball on that one.
I don't think it will happen again, cross paws.


Yes, one of the things I found quite curious about the Cameron administration here was the enthusiasm of a conservative led government for CCP involvement in our national infrastructure.
The current and last Tory administrations are/were also insistent that Huawei must supply our forthcoming 5G when there are German companies that provide the same tech, probably with better design and build quality.


The ccp undercuts prices for long term strategic reasons.
Your government has been sucked in because of financial considerations.
Absolute madness.

There is talk about reviewing the Huawei decision, spurred on by the COVID-19 crisis.
Anyone who trusts the ccp not doing the wrong thing, given the chance, is a total fool, imo. 8O


Penny-Pinching on national infrastructure with cavalier disregard for the consequences?
Why would you suspect the British Conservative party of that? :lol:
Hopeful news on the review: I’d be much happier with 5G supplier by folks based in the Ruhr: think there’s also a Swedish company who can do the job if contracted.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if “B****t means B****t” was behind the Huawei contract)
As I indicated above: I doubt they’d try to impose their post-Maoist system on us for the sake of it, but screwing with our political system and culture to keep the revenue flowing back to the PRC to fund and stabilise their rule? Of course they would 8O


I was thinking more along the lines of "The 5 Eyes" information-sharing agreement.
"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
It appears that that weak link might be you Tommies". 8O

Get out there and protest, NOW!. :wink:


Well. Yes. 8O
To busy reliving past issues with the Germans and the French to clearly comprehend today’s issues would, I think, sum up our current national outlook for quite a while now. :oops:



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11 Apr 2020, 7:22 am

Saddam used biological weapons against the Kurds.



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11 Apr 2020, 7:47 am

The same Kurds that President Toad Face abandoned to die at the hands of the Turkish army?



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11 Apr 2020, 9:13 am

The Kurds have gotten it severely over their history.



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11 Apr 2020, 9:31 am

Pity. Anyways I'm not sure which is worse? A world forever under the mercy of the USA as it continues down its path to totalitarianism or a world ruled by China which has always been a totalitarian dictatorship? :shrug:



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11 Apr 2020, 9:57 am

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The Kurds have gotten it severely over their history.

For some reason every ethnic group living in proximity to the Kurds seems to despise them. I have absolutely no idea of the reasons, but you'd think they'd have some local allies. Makes me wonder sometimes whether Western love for Kurds is somewhat naïve. But again, I know nothing specific except a general impression that they're warlike and a rumor (don't know any hard facts about this) that they practice FGM to a greater extent than other groups in their area.


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11 Apr 2020, 10:02 am

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Pity. Anyways I'm not sure which is worse? A world forever under the mercy of the USA as it continues down its path to totalitarianism or a world ruled by China which has always been a totalitarian dictatorship? :shrug:

The US citizens don’t boil dogs alive like in China.We boil hot dogs.
If China takes over the world will be one giant wet market,and there won’t be a turtle left on the planet.


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11 Apr 2020, 10:02 am

The thought of a Chinese hegemony doesn't upset me. All my life, I've witnessed every global ill be blamed on the US. I would be a pleasant change of pace to me for somebody else (China) to take some of the blame for once.

Also, I think the US feels somewhat less threatened by China than Europe, because we have closer ties at various levels including personal, for example our machatunim are Chinese which is not unusual here. Educated residents of the US understand that Chinese society is different from ours because of Confucianism, not some evil secret plot to rule the world.


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11 Apr 2020, 10:06 am

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Pity. Anyways I'm not sure which is worse? A world forever under the mercy of the USA as it continues down its path to totalitarianism or a world ruled by China which has always been a totalitarian dictatorship? :shrug:

I believe I can safely say that China is no more totalitarian than Cuba, a country hardly anyone every criticizes but instead, is often publicly admired as a steadfast bulwark against US cultural, economic, and military aggression.


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11 Apr 2020, 10:09 am

-"It's too late. This country is on the verge of converting to Communism."
-"As long as a single one of us stands, there is still hope!"


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11 Apr 2020, 10:38 am

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-"It's too late. This country is on the verge of converting to Communism."
-"As long as a single one of us stands, there is still hope!"

I tried and failed to identify the source of either of those quotes, but Communism per se does not pose a threat to today's Western society. There are so many worse things to worry about today.


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11 Apr 2020, 10:47 am

Sounds like quotes from the Joseph McCarthy era.



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11 Apr 2020, 10:59 am

MaxE wrote:
UncannyDanny wrote:
-"It's too late. This country is on the verge of converting to Communism."
-"As long as a single one of us stands, there is still hope!"

I tried and failed to identify the source of either of those quotes, but Communism per se does not pose a threat to today's Western society. There are so many worse things to worry about today.

The biggest threat to Western Society, in my opinion, is Western Society.



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11 Apr 2020, 11:03 am

Go East, young man! :P



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11 Apr 2020, 11:11 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Go East, young man! :P



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11 Apr 2020, 11:13 am

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Yeah, I know just how much better a job the States have done "ruling" the world. :roll:
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he warned us that there are people who *don't love America*

This was news? :? How the US behaves in the world impacts how they're viewed. Who'd have thought? :lol:

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he labeled coronavirus as the "Chinese virus"

Wait, does that mean the virus have Chinese citizenship? That makes me wonder if it has residence permit? If not, it should be made to return home. Considering its behavior, it should be evicted!


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