Why can't communities decide on law enforcement or not?

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There is also no evidence that things like the death penalty lowers crime rates. You need to do more than simply kill people that are a symptom of the real problems, and that means do things other than violence and intimidation.

I remember some events from the last few years where a police officer came across someone that upset from a bad day or mental problem, and a police officer realized that he could talk the person down by talking to them. Seeming to actually do that before other cops come in and shoot the person and then fired the officer because apparently he endangered the lives of the other officers by not automatically killing someone. That the way things are actively punishes good cops from helping people that need it.

Maybe sending out an unarmed social worker is going to little to comfort victims of armed and hostile thugs. But you would probably be surprised by how much the people in law enforcement knowing how to talk to someone acting irrational at a particular moment could be life saving and make communities feel safer. Not go for the kill as the first response. De-escalation should be the first method.

They will if people just give way to their demands.

Non-blacks are second class. You can't rise up their ranks if you aren't black. You're relegated to "ally" status, following orders, like a good dog that knows who it's master is.

You are insane, and I think a step away from using hate speech, to have read into BLM as black supremacy.

Maybe cause some cities are making moves to getting rid of police.

Well to be fair blm tells whites they have no say and can’t speak at the protests.

"There is always going to be harm and we have to find transformative ways to think about how we're addressing harm in a way that's not promoting disposability and not promoting punishing people," Montague said.

"In a world without policing, Montague said, communities would have to find new ways of managing harm and "building a sense of collective care and interdependency.

Many in the black community and in other communities, including undocumented immigrants and the trans community, Montague said, "have never really been able to rely on the police or call the police...so they already have strong systems of mutual need and ways of dealing with conflict in the community when it happens."

Can someone explain what the above means? What does "building a sense of collective care and interdependency" mean in practical terms?

What are the "strong systems of mutual need and ways of dealing with conflict in the community when it happens" in black, undocumented immigrant and trans communities? I'm hoping for some examples.

How exactly do the above communities collectively care for each other and how do they deal with conflict when it happens such as theft, mugging, noise disturbance, illegal manufacture of drugs such as meth next door, extortion or...are all of those things part of the "harm" that "there's always going to be"? As in, "get used to it, deal with it, let it happen"?

There are cops who are just like what Bradleigh said.

That’s my point, really.

More people in law enforcement must be compassionate—and we have to get rid of the bad apples in law enforcement.

But we really can’t just dispense with law enforcement.

Well I mean I don't know if this this is a fair comparison, but I use to work in factory and people got killed by other workers in that job. The other workers would not follow proper procedure, do negligent things just to save money or go home early, and this resulted in a death here and there.

But does that mean that all factories, everywhere, should be shut down? Maybe?

It means that safety procedures must be overhauled, since the previous procedures did not work.

Same with the police.

I wouldn’t advocate closing the factory, nor dismantling the whole police force.

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Well to me, this "collective care and interdependency" means dependence on BLM, the new sheriff in town.

I know that the black community kill each other a lot. I imagine those people are "dealing with their own problems."

They can't stand at the front either. Only black people are allowed at the front.

Bradleigh, it's an ugly truth, but keep an open mind to it. Watch how they deal with non-blacks. See the us vs them mentality.

I can't even. This is like complaining about the suffrage movement did not have men at the font or as the key speakers.

Where are you guys getting your news? Who is telling you that the BLM movement is out to get white people? It is you two who are having closed minds to what is going on.

And I literally saw on the news during these protests things like white people standing in front of black protestors to protect them from police.

Nobody's telling me. I see it for myself. Why does BLM have no interest in tackling black crime? Because they can't get any black power that way. It's not about black lives, it's about power. Even this police funding they want to redistribute, they can't just redistribute it into the local community, all of it must go to the black community, even though the whole community's tax dollars funds the police.

Black nationalist types are not exactly enthusiastic about white people.

They shelter themselves under the notion that one can only be a racist if one is of the “oppressor” race.

They exclude non-black folks from their movement.

Martin Luther King welcomed non-black folks into HIS movement.

Perhaps predominately coloured communities should have a predominantly coloured police force.

You need to get out in the sun more, dood!