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03 Jul 2020, 6:22 pm

A one world government is like a car with a wooden engine. It wooden work.



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03 Jul 2020, 10:36 pm

Certain people want them to prove them wrong.

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No matter what evidence you have or reasoning you use they won't accept anything that contradicts their worldview and what they accept as fact. Even when you deconstruct their "facts" and show contradictions. You're wasting your time with these sorts of people.

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04 Jul 2020, 3:40 am

There was a cartoon out about 25 years ago called "Pinky and the Brain".



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04 Jul 2020, 5:06 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
There was a cartoon out about 25 years ago called "Pinky and the Brain".


Loved it!! !! !! !! !! !



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04 Jul 2020, 5:08 am

Another way we all could become united

O.N.U.P or One Nation Under Pizza.

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04 Jul 2020, 12:08 pm

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Who believes in creating O.N.E. One Nation Earth? I do b/c I think increasingly humanity is becoming more interconnected and the problems will require more global solutions?

Who thinks national sovereignty is obsolete?


Babel all over again! :D

Seriously though. It sounds an ideal concept, but in reality it is unworkable without turning to a communistic dictatorship style ruling system. Now the differences between cultures are too great. The EU, despite all its good intentions is not really working and that is small compared to the world. It is a recepe for many years of internal conflict and can only work by trying to "Re-program" anyone who thinks outside of the box. The freedom to be unique will be under threat.


The problem is the current unions are neoliberal ones built to serve global capitalist interests. That's it's main flaw. With market globalization there is absolutely a NEED for kind of union that deals with economic conditions. Otherwise the system is going to disintegrate into chaos and war just like it did in the early 20th century. This has nothing to do with imposing a global mono-culture. It's bizarre how humans are terrified of global cooperation when it's the only thing that can save us from certain destruction. With so many people so hell bent on defending ruthless global capitalism and unwilling to unite to counter it I might say we as a species are completely and utterly f****d. I do think a lot of terminally selfish pieces of s**t will need to be reprogrammed at some point. Seems that's all that's left of the right these days. Selfish dickfaces who refuse to do anything for the public good. Really really f*****g disgusted with America in particular these days. With the Karens throwing temper tantrums about wearing masks. Modern individualism is truly degenerate.



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05 Jul 2020, 12:34 am

NoClearMind53 wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Who believes in creating O.N.E. One Nation Earth? I do b/c I think increasingly humanity is becoming more interconnected and the problems will require more global solutions?

Who thinks national sovereignty is obsolete?


Babel all over again! :D

Seriously though. It sounds an ideal concept, but in reality it is unworkable without turning to a communistic dictatorship style ruling system. Now the differences between cultures are too great. The EU, despite all its good intentions is not really working and that is small compared to the world. It is a recepe for many years of internal conflict and can only work by trying to "Re-program" anyone who thinks outside of the box. The freedom to be unique will be under threat.


The problem is the current unions are neoliberal ones built to serve global capitalist interests. That's it's main flaw. With market globalization there is absolutely a NEED for kind of union that deals with economic conditions. Otherwise the system is going to disintegrate into chaos and war just like it did in the early 20th century. This has nothing to do with imposing a global mono-culture. It's bizarre how humans are terrified of global cooperation when it's the only thing that can save us from certain destruction. With so many people so hell bent on defending ruthless global capitalism and unwilling to unite to counter it I might say we as a species are completely and utterly f****d. I do think a lot of terminally selfish pieces of s**t will need to be reprogrammed at some point. Seems that's all that's left of the right these days. Selfish dickfaces who refuse to do anything for the public good. Really really f*****g disgusted with America in particular these days. With the Karens throwing temper tantrums about wearing masks. Modern individualism is truly degenerate.


I actually agree with a lot of things you've said about modern individualism and capitalism.

I have to say though that what you say is ironic. The capitalists, etc like Fnord are afraid of uniting under a communistic superstate.

Let's say we have a football game with one team called capitalists and the other called communists. Neither side wants to admit that the field itself is f****d up, decaying and full of pot holes that keep tripping up the players. Yet, the players keep insisting on playing so the other guy's philosophy doesn't win because each team sees the other team as evil.



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05 Jul 2020, 12:35 am

Will never happen.

China, Russia and US will never see eye to eye...



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05 Jul 2020, 12:44 am

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Will never happen.

China, Russia and US will never see eye to eye...


Cyberdad, of course it's not going to happen now. These nations will never see eye to eye. But, I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about centuries from now or a millennia or so from now. O.N.E. won't happen because of idealism or we come to love each other as a people but will have to happen through necessity.

I believe there's going to become a time in the distant future where it will become a necessity especially when we get to a point of having Type I civilization technology and the inherent issues that can crop up with it plus more and more corona type pandemics plus our environmental degradation. I believe certain events will happen in which slowly over time the countries and people of the Earth will have to make more and more concessions in a trickle-like way. In other words, there won't be a revolution to it but a slow, baby-like crawl to it as more and more institutions need to have more and more global type authority. This is the vision I see.

Necessity is the mother of invention. Not idealism and not love!

No! It won't be perfect! It will still be filled with problems we today can't even begin to imagine. Utopia will never exist!

You will still see things like discrimination but this discrimination will again be different then what we understand as so today. Different in ways we can't even envision.



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05 Jul 2020, 12:49 am

The transition to a one world government will happen when it is "off world"



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05 Jul 2020, 1:31 am

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The transition to a one world government will happen when it is "off world"


You know, I never thought of that. You brought up another point. Having the ability to leave would probably be a major factor as well. If and when it becomes possible to colonize other planets and people can simply leave easily and even start their own settlements then it may happen that people on Earth may become more secure of having a global governemnt.

But, this is all speculation and centuries away.



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05 Jul 2020, 1:45 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
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The transition to a one world government will happen when it is "off world"


You know, I never thought of that. You brought up another point. Having the ability to leave would probably be a major factor as well. If and when it becomes possible to colonize other planets and people can simply leave easily and even start their own settlements then it may happen that people on Earth may become more secure of having a global governemnt.

But, this is all speculation and centuries away.


Actually within our lifetimes. Elon Musk's space program is planning to have the first permanently settled Mars base within the next 10 years.



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05 Jul 2020, 1:50 am

cyberdad wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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The transition to a one world government will happen when it is "off world"


You know, I never thought of that. You brought up another point. Having the ability to leave would probably be a major factor as well. If and when it becomes possible to colonize other planets and people can simply leave easily and even start their own settlements then it may happen that people on Earth may become more secure of having a global governemnt.

But, this is all speculation and centuries away.


Actually within our lifetimes. Elon Musk's space program is planning to have the first permanently settled Mars base within the next 10 years.


Well, that's if everything goes according to plan and even if it does I do think it would be the very beginning. And, it does seem like technology and our knowledge is increasing exponentially so maybe you're right. Who knows?



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05 Jul 2020, 3:09 am

The first Mars base would be an experiment more than a settlement (true), however the plan is to keep it permanent (for the settlers its a one-way trip).



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05 Jul 2020, 3:48 am

It would be quite tough for the settlers, who will be vetted to see if they can handle the "alienness". I wonder if they can still get to use image sharing, streaming on social media etc so they can stay in touch with friends and family on "Mother Earth". (I'd be happy if I could have a dog or two with me...)

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05 Jul 2020, 4:12 am

envirozentinel wrote:
It would be quite tough for the settlers, who will be vetted to see if they can handle the "alienness". I wonder if they can still get to use image sharing, streaming on social media etc so they can stay in touch with friends and family on "Mother Earth". (I'd be happy if I could have a dog or two with me...)


Been watching Mars series on cable. Data exchange is theoretically possible between Mars and earth but expected to be incredibly unstable.