Supreme Court cements donald trump’s path to prison

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You touched upon reality when you used the word "bankruptcy". As in bankruptcy protection. Which he's done four times in the past, so he obviously knows how it works. Sadly teflon Don can declare bankruptcy protection to get creditors off his back, and settle whatever IRS fines he has coming, and still be far wealthier than I could ever hope to be.

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He'll be sharing the same cell as Cosby

Isn't there anything more substantial to contribute than memes and one-liners?

I'll ask the same question here that I asked in another thread, since the OP article doesn't address it.

What specific charges will be made against Trump that will put him in prison?

And I mean the actual specific charges listed in US law.

Can anyone properly answer that?

Or is all the talk about prison just a fantasy?

It seems not, but you already figured that out.

he's already inviting state GOP lawmakers into the white house to persuade them to overrule their state's voters/electors.

↑ Maybe one of them will bring an orange jumpsuit...

... size XXXL, of course.

What’s he got to offer them in exchange?

His finances have been laid bare. He’s broke. He owes $421M-$1B+ to creditors and has cash on hand of only $40-140M, something like that. Several of his properties are for sale rn to try to liquidate assets to pay off the debts coming due that no one will refinance for him because they don’t want to be investigated by every US State & Federal law enforcement agency nor other international ones. He’s an untouchable liability in the banking world rn.

He’s also a lame duck president with one foot out the door & the other one about to follow when he gets a swift kick in the ass on January 20th... and therefor no longer has any political power to wield and offer these people.

So, why would they go along with his lunatic ambitions of stealing the election and declaring himself dictator trump? What would be in it for them? Do you really think others in the US government are as delusional as he is and think they can pull this off, stay on top, and live the good life ruling over the peasant masses? Lol the peasant masses have guns.. lots of them. And I don’t think they’d take too kindly to a bunch of clowns destroying their democratic freedom & ripping up their beloved constitution.

Trump, possibly, is in trouble in New York for some sort of tax fraud thing. The NY District Attorney really wants his tax forms (as reported in many public media outlets)

There's also the issue of him giving "hush money" to that "escort-type person." I forgot her name. But she was in the news a lot a couple of years ago.

Stormy Daniels. He used campaign contributions for hush money. That is one illegal charge.

Tax fraud and tax evasion are also federal charges on federal taxes and state charges on state taxes. He cannot pardon himself from New York State offenses. In the suspected amounts of money he has apparently defrauded the state government of, he would go to prison.

Many of the things he did that shocked people were things that were not against the law, per se, but all good people assumed good people would never do. I expect that many of those things to be addressed by the legislature.

At least I hope so.

The most serious legal threat facing Trump is the Manhattan district attorney's criminal investigation into the financial workings of the Trump Organization.  Prosecutors have suggested in court filings that the investigation could examine whether the President and his company engaged in bank fraud, insurance fraud, criminal tax fraud and falsification of business records.

He also faces defamation lawsuits sparked by his denials of accusations made by women who have alleged he assaulted them, including E. Jean Carroll, the former magazine columnist who has accused him of rape. And then there are claims he corrupted the presidency for his personal profits.

Both Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee have extensively documented how Trump committed obstruction of justice, lied to investigators, and conspired with Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States.  If convicted, each of these crimes carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, per charge.  According to legal experts, federal prosecutors could be ready to indict Trump on one or more of these felonies as early as the first quarter of 2021.

I can see it now...

The defendant looked uncomfortable as he stood to testify in the courtroom.  Dressed in a dark suit and somber tie, he seemed aged, dimmed, his posture noticeably stooped.  The past year had been a massive comedown for the former world leader.  For decades, the bombastic onetime showman had danced his way past scores of lawsuits and blustered through a sprawl of scandals.  Then he left office and was indicted.  As a packed courtroom looked on, he read from a curled sheaf of papers.  It seemed as though the once inconceivable was on the verge of coming to pass: The country's former leader would be convicted and sent to a concrete cell...

Déjà vu: The date was October 19, 2012. The man was Silvio Berlusconi, the longtime prime minister of Italy.

Well, we do not know the full extent of the charges - in addition to those already mentioned above - that Trump might face once he leaves office in January 2021. This may be due to the following:

1. While not fully immune, it is very difficult to prosecute an incumbent president, so even if law enforcement already *has* sufficient evidence to prosecute Trump for specific crimes, they will likely wait until after his departure to press such charges.
1. A full examination of Trump's activities - including potentially illegal activities - while at the White House will likely only be possible once the new administration is in place. As of now, those in the administration with knowledge of such activities would likely be fired and/or face legal repercussions if they spoke out while Trump was still in office.
2. By not filing any charges now - and not suggesting what charges might be filed later - Trump is left with fewer options when it comes to pardoning himself.

He better not fall asleep.

A federal pardon in the United States is the action of the President of the United States that completely sets aside the punishment for a federal crime.  The authority to take such action is granted to the president by Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution.  Under the Constitution, the president's clemency power extends ONLY to federal criminal offenses.

Thus, even if Mr. Trump somehow manages to pardon himself of all federal charges, his authority can not be extended to include state, county, and municipal charges.  So while he might dodge being sent to a federal supermax prison, he could still wind up in a drafty state penitentiary for the remainder of his miserable life.

If you think there is an uproar now from Trumpsters denying that His Excellency lost the election, just imagine the massive outcry from the butt-hurt they will all experience when the bailiff escorts Donald J. Trump in handcuffs from the courtroom one last time.