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15 Sep 2020, 8:42 am

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He intentionally lied about the dangers of the coronavirus which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of American deaths. He's encouraging his base to react violently towards the opposite party. He's also turned the Republican party into a cult.

Biden was even further off ... he called Trump *xenophobic* and *fear mongering* for a Chinese COVID19 travel ban.

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15 Sep 2020, 9:02 am

Blaming China, and punishing her with travel bans and other economic counter measures isn't going to make the Covid19 virus disappear. The world should fight it together by finding the most efficacious antidote, not find further cause for division by blaming each other after the horse has bolted.

"Find the horse" is the next step...


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15 Sep 2020, 9:25 am

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... Trump *xenophobic* and *fear mongering* for a Chinese COVID19 travel ban...
A case of "Black is white and night is day", when it fits the very definition of a xenophobic act.  The ban was imposed on China, and not on any other country experiencing the pandemic.


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15 Sep 2020, 9:31 am

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Blaming China, and punishing her with travel bans and other economic counter measures isn't going to make the Covid19 virus disappear. The world should fight it together by finding the most efficacious antidote, not find further cause for division by blaming each other after the hose has bolted.  "Find the horse" is the next step...
Oh no, dear Zentelleh!  First we must blame Obama for authorizing a bill that extended farm subsidies to horse breeders.  Then we have to blame Hollywood for providing the idea that horses must run free.  Finally, we must blame everyone on the Far Left for their collectivist thinking that led to the shoddy construction of the barn from which the horse escaped.

Then we just go out and buy another horse.


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18 Sep 2020, 6:57 am

To be honest I'd be surprised if someone other than a diehard Trump supporter or a baby didn't get sick and tired of him at some point.



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18 Sep 2020, 7:31 am

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To be honest I'd be surprised if someone other than a diehard Trump supporter or a baby didn't get sick and tired of him at some point.


A toddler would probably get sick and tired of him.

Cos a toddler wants to be the bestest boy in the world too.


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18 Sep 2020, 7:44 am

My three year old nephew would scream at him if he didn't do exactly as asked.


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22 Sep 2020, 2:07 am

I can't believe my six year old wants our president dead. 8O We never talked that way about our president but she came up with that idea on her own. She thinks if he just disappears, everything would go good again and our country would be calm. Even she is sick of him.

The reason why he is in the spot light is because he has caused a lot of chaos and our country became split because of it and everyone is scared about the upcoming election. I don't remember it being this bad when Obama was in office or George Bush or Bill Clinton. I remember if you supported either president, no one judged you. Sure there have always been someone out there who will call you an idiot for supporting Bush or voting Obama. But my god, I don't remember seeing all this chaos and our country being so split. I don't blame them either because how would you feel if someone was supporting someone who is a threat to your race? You would feel betrayed and this is why our country is split because he is the fricken president and has made things go in reverse. One of my online friends describes him as wanting to turn everything back into the 1950's again and that is his way of wanting to make America Great Again. And people support him? This is why things are so bad.

It makes me think or Ireland and how they used to be one country and then they split so that is why there is Ireland and Northern Ireland. Imagine the same happening for the US?


Sadly I think we will keep hearing about him until the election or for another four more years.


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22 Sep 2020, 9:11 am

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I can't believe my six year old wants our president dead. 8O We never talked that way about our president but she came up with that idea on her own. She thinks if he just disappears, everything would go good again and our country would be calm. Even she is sick of him.

The reason why he is in the spot light is because he has caused a lot of chaos and our country became split because of it and everyone is scared about the upcoming election. I don't remember it being this bad when Obama was in office or George Bush or Bill Clinton. I remember if you supported either president, no one judged you. Sure there have always been someone out there who will call you an idiot for supporting Bush or voting Obama. But my god, I don't remember seeing all this chaos and our country being so split. I don't blame them either because how would you feel if someone was supporting someone who is a threat to your race? You would feel betrayed and this is why our country is split because he is the fricken president and has made things go in reverse. One of my online friends describes him as wanting to turn everything back into the 1950's again and that is his way of wanting to make America Great Again. And people support him? This is why things are so bad.

It makes me think or Ireland and how they used to be one country and then they split so that is why there is Ireland and Northern Ireland. Imagine the same happening for the US?


Sadly I think we will keep hearing about him until the election or for another four more years.

Honestly, sometimes I think that splitting the country into two separate, left-wing and right-wing countries might be a good idea. That way, each side could run things their way without having to fight about it and hate each other. I fear that the US has become too polarized to function as a whole anymore. I fear that it's going to come to blows, even another civil war. The whole idea of splitting would be very problematic, but I don't know what the solution is. You're never going to make everyone support one side. Even if they split, the sides could remain united in a limited way, like the different countries that make up the UK. Together for defensive purposes, not totally split like Ireland.
On another note, I started a job that I really like about a month ago. I found out yesterday that everyone who works there supports the opposite political party from me. Now, they know I'm the odd one out, and I'm afraid it will be used against me. I'm a "marked woman" :| I will just try to ignore political conversations at work and hope for the best.....


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22 Sep 2020, 10:06 am

The workplace should be free of politics as far as practically possible. Ultimately it is a choice and one which is supposed to be secret. We have a multitude of parties here and a proportional representation system, which works well and allows for a multiparty system.

Voting is by secret ballot and we don't have endlessly intrusive opinion polls.


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22 Sep 2020, 10:59 am

I policy studies, one of the first models you discuss is the Rational Agent Model. Basically, it states people analyze the factors and arrive at a rational answer. This will determine their vote. Then you read about why that model never works. Yes, our democracy is broken simply because it is at the whim of irrationality and how easy that irrationality is manipulated. The values expressed by conservatives and liberals are both important. And their ignorance is equally destructive, whether that is climate denial (conservative position) or anti-vaxx (liberal). Unfortunately, we live in a winner takes all culture. Right now the world is going through a rightward shift that has been going on for 40 years. Extreme positions tend not to hold indefinitely, especially ones imposed by minorities (the US Senate would be a good example, where it has pushed through conservative positions while hindering liberal ones, even though the party majority represents a minority of US voters).



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22 Sep 2020, 11:38 am

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The workplace should be free of politics as far as practically possible. Ultimately it is a choice and one which is supposed to be secret. We have a multitude of parties here and a proportional representation system, which works well and allows for a multiparty system. :lol:

Voting is by secret ballot and we don't have endlessly intrusive opinion polls.

Unfortunately, my "filter" doesn't work that well, especially when people are saying things I don't agree with. I'm really bad at keeping secrets :| Besides, it's not really a secret when you have political stickers on your car LOL. I agree that they shouldn't have been discussing politics at work, that way I wouldn't have been "triggered". Nobody got mad, we sort of laughed it off. I'll try to ignore these conversations if I hear them again. Put in earphones or listen to music or something. They really are good people though, and I would never hold their beliefs against them. Just as I would hope they don't hold mine against me...


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I policy studies, one of the first models you discuss is the Rational Agent Model. Basically, it states people analyze the factors and arrive at a rational answer. This will determine their vote. Then you read about why that model never works. Yes, our democracy is broken simply because it is at the whim of irrationality and how easy that irrationality is manipulated. The values expressed by conservatives and liberals are both important. And their ignorance is equally destructive, whether that is climate denial (conservative position) or anti-vaxx (liberal). Unfortunately, we live in a winner takes all culture. Right now the world is going through a rightward shift that has been going on for 40 years. Extreme positions tend not to hold indefinitely, especially ones imposed by minorities (the US Senate would be a good example, where it has pushed through conservative positions while hindering liberal ones, even though the party majority represents a minority of US voters).

Interesting. I am conservative, but do not agree with mandatory vaccinations. I have stated before on this site that I feel individual freedom should be preserved to the fullest extent possible without having outright anarchy and people killing, attacking, and stealing from each other. I believe in a minimum of government interference. Although I identify as a conservative, I strongly oppose government surveillance of its citizens also. Unless they give authorities strong reason to believe they are doing something illegal.


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Interesting. I am conservative, but do not agree with mandatory vaccinations. I have stated before on this site that I feel individual freedom should be preserved to the fullest extent possible without having outright anarchy and people killing, attacking, and stealing from each other. I believe in a minimum of government interference. Although I identify as a conservative, I strongly oppose government surveillance of its citizens also. Unless they give authorities strong reason to believe they are doing something illegal.


Individual freedoms are important. The questions of what government should do and what it shouldn't is also important. But societies cannot only consider individual rights, but also collective ones. For example, if someone has an activity that pollutes the water supply of the community. Should that person be able to do so? Or does that person have a collective responsibility? And should a member of the community individually try to stop that person or should they have collective mechanisms like the courts and laws?

Instead of pollution, we taking about behavior that spreads disease? Is that different? Perhaps. Not an easy question. Does the type of disease matter? Polio, a horrible and common childhood disease, was eliminated through vaccination. The benefits to not only individuals but society as a whole were great. On the other end are flu shots. But the flu is not as deadly or debilitating. Where does COVID come in this scheme? So far, we have had about 200,000 deaths with COVID and about 35,000 death in the last flu season. The COVID pandemic is still ongoing and so that is not a final number. That is a policy question we as a group need to answer.

I think we are going to have to have this conversation. But mass vaccinations have not been easy:The fiasco of the 1976 ‘swine flu affair’ (BBC)



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22 Sep 2020, 12:29 pm

All these crimes against humanity just to stop a medical process they don't even understand.

Hating abortion doesn't grant you an excuse to mow more innocent people down.


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Jiheisho wrote:
I policy studies, one of the first models you discuss is the Rational Agent Model. Basically, it states people analyze the factors and arrive at a rational answer. This will determine their vote. Then you read about why that model never works. Yes, our democracy is broken simply because it is at the whim of irrationality and how easy that irrationality is manipulated. The values expressed by conservatives and liberals are both important. And their ignorance is equally destructive, whether that is climate denial (conservative position) or anti-vaxx (liberal). Unfortunately, we live in a winner takes all culture. Right now the world is going through a rightward shift that has been going on for 40 years. Extreme positions tend not to hold indefinitely, especially ones imposed by minorities (the US Senate would be a good example, where it has pushed through conservative positions while hindering liberal ones, even though the party majority represents a minority of US voters).

Interesting. I am conservative, but do not agree with mandatory vaccinations. I have stated before on this site that I feel individual freedom should be preserved to the fullest extent possible without having outright anarchy and people killing, attacking, and stealing from each other. I believe in a minimum of government interference. Although I identify as a conservative, I strongly oppose government surveillance of its citizens also. Unless they give authorities strong reason to believe they are doing something illegal.


Your conservative country is burning to the ground quite literally, without your conservative president declaring an emergency. Looks like your side is getting what they want by letting others die.


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