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04 Oct 2020, 1:33 pm

And libertarianism and fascism are inherently incompatible.


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04 Oct 2020, 1:35 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
And libertarianism and fascism are inherently incompatible.


Which is the irony of the totalitarian right insisting that they've ever been able to honestly claim the label of 'libertarian'.


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04 Oct 2020, 1:38 pm

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However there is a difference between conservative and libertarian and whatever the heck the right's turned into these days.

I believe the word you're looking for is fascist.

I believe you went one step too far.


Really, because that seems to be exactly the heck the right's turned into these days. Not the entire right but enough that it's not wrong to be worried about.


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05 Oct 2020, 2:53 pm

99% of people living in America today are not suffering oppression. You are blessed. Quit crying about all of all of this invented and imagined oppression you think you're suffering.



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05 Oct 2020, 2:58 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
99% of people living in America today are not suffering oppression.
Evidence, please?
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You are blessed.
Evidence, please?
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Quit crying about all of all of this invented and imagined oppression you think you're suffering.
Thank you for sharing.

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06 Oct 2020, 12:18 am

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I think they base their causes on who the perpetrators of injustice are, rather than the victims. I've noticed that when "rich white Christians" are the perpetrators, they're more likely to help the oppressed, compared to, for example, China's treatment of the Uyghurs, Tibetans and Hong Kong, or Burma's treatment of the Rohingya people.


Thanks Tim. Yes I think BLM get so caught up in their hype they don't actually realise they are a "one trick pony" and that their biggest supporters don't really care about benefiting from the pain of other downtrodden people as you pointed out.

Le Bron has deflated my sympathy for BLM....



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06 Oct 2020, 12:20 am

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The term "Social Justice Warrior/SJW" is a typical "Snarl word".

It doesn't have any rigorous definition, but instead serves as a means of signalling disapproval and contempt of certain political views and persons (as several previous posts in this thread demonstrate). Furthermore, it is often a straw man argument which frequently corresponds poorly (if at all) to the views actually held by whoever the label is assigned to.

It's a bit like cultural marxism, wingnut, liberal, trumptard, repugnian, homofascism, snowflake (unless one is referring to the actual crystallization of water at low temperatures), MSM, statist, teabagger etc... and my new (un)favorite: Coastal Elite...

In fact, even more traditional labels like Liberal and Conservative have become so diluted and divorced from their original meanings that they are increasingly becoming meaningless...

And here is a suggestion when applying a political label to someone else:

Check if they use that label when describing their own political views.


I realise the right has made it into a 4-letter word but it still represents a concept universally understood



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06 Oct 2020, 12:20 am

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My question is this. Can you be a SJW but be selective about what you want to champion but ignore the plight of other people despite saying "we must call out injustice wherever it arises" ?

You do not seem to understand what "SJW" means. I suggest you look it up on urbandictionary.com, which is relevant because SJW is largely an Internet meme.

Also, not speaking publicly about something is not the same as "ignoring" it. And everybody is selective about sociopolitical issues. No one has the capacity to focus on every issue going on in the world.


ditto



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06 Oct 2020, 12:21 am

Fnord wrote:
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Can you be a selective SJW?
Absolutely.  A person's heart could bleed a little for every Nigerian child who dies of cholera, but they also could not possibly care less about homeless children in their own city.  It happens.


Yeah that's what I thought...but what is going on in their heads? that's my question...



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06 Oct 2020, 12:23 am

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I must look into this more closely....



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06 Oct 2020, 1:05 am

Fnord wrote:
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You are blessed.
Evidence, please?
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Don't you remember when you sneezed next to a pastor and she said "bless you"? That was it :jester:

Now more seriously: We Poles tend to self-portray as ever disadvantaged in every respect. Learning more about the world shows it's far from that bad.
Americans seem to self-portray as the best country on Earth in every respect. Learning more about the world shows it's far from that good.


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06 Oct 2020, 1:58 am

Any group can suffer from hypocrisy, name one and you can find a hypocrite.

Wolfram87 wrote:
And libertarianism and fascism are inherently incompatible.


That is why it crumbles when the incompatible nature is highlighted in the hypocrisy. For example, the NRA almost never supports gun control until events like the Black Panthers wanted to do armed protests. Even in modern times the NRA will kick a stink up whenever a white gun owner might have their ownership of their guns discriminated against, but are crickets whenever a black man is gunned down by the police because they had a legally owned firearm.

Often the strongest people and groups for libertarianism will be that way until a group they don't like starts to get equal treatment with that thing. The sort of people that defend child marriages, but lose their mind over same sex marriage.

Also, about SJWs being referred to as hippies, in the same sense as used like a slur for their anti war stances, weren't the hippies 100% right about things like Vietnam? This kind of feels like the sort of thing where Leftist men being called soyboys, because they are against things like toxic masculinity, when it is going to look ridiculous to be making fun for acting in positive ways.


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06 Oct 2020, 2:23 am

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Also, about SJWs being referred to as hippies, in the same sense as used like a slur for their anti war stances, weren't the hippies 100% right about things like Vietnam? This kind of feels like the sort of thing where Leftist men being called soyboys, because they are against things like toxic masculinity, when it is going to look ridiculous to be making fun for acting in positive ways.


For some reason we're not supposed to think highly of the people who point out our own society's biggest failings. Progressives seem to fight to make the world a better place while their opponents fight desperately to resist until it becomes clear that resistance is futile, then they pivot to saying they always supported improvement and that it was inevitable and that no further improvement is needed.


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06 Oct 2020, 3:57 am

Ok so the critical point is what you are advocating for.

If you advocate for social justice then put yourself to a higher pedestal

Le Bron James claimed to fight/take a stand for social justice. But he failed when he benefits financially from Chinese slave labor.

Many conservatives support the environment/conservation of wildlife....but they like hunting animals with guns

Many christians support ending poverty but don't care when they make a gay person commit suicide over their sexuality.

So how does a person advocate passionately for something and describe what they are doing as "fighting for justice" when what they are doing is fighting for their pet cause and don't really believe in justice for "all"? I want to know what's going on in their heads....?



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06 Oct 2020, 7:53 am

Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
99% of people living in America today are not suffering oppression.
Evidence, please?
Mr Reynholm wrote:
You are blessed.
Evidence, please?
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Quit crying about all of all of this invented and imagined oppression you think you're suffering.
Thank you for sharing.

:roll:

Go outside and look around.



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06 Oct 2020, 7:57 am

cyberdad wrote:
Many conservatives support the environment/conservation of wildlife....but they like hunting animals with guns


These two are not contradictory, but in fact depend on each other.


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