The rise of right wing narrative in France.

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I disagreed with Macron’s decision to display the cartoons on governmental premises; but someone has to hit these radicals with an iron fist; you simply can’t reason with them.
The Egyptian president did it before for instance.

Internationally-speaking, the reactions from Arab countries were shy; Arab countries want to maintain the relationship with France; Turkey on the other hand... kinda declared a cultural war.

While I think there’s no good reason anyone should be stopped from showing those cartoons, Macron has gone beyond that into demonising immigrant populations. And you’ve gone even further. Frankly it’s complete balderdash to say that half of all Muslims cannot co-exist with others in a secular nation. The large majority (>99%) of Muslims living in secular nations have no trouble co-existing with others.

^That’s obviously true.

Look at “My Beautiful Laundrette” and other British films (like “Bend it like Beckham,” for instance) as examples of how “Pakis” and other “minorities” have assimilated well into the British fabric.

Two of my co-workers wear hijabs. We get along great.

I think both movies aren't really representative of muslim migrants though. "My beautiful laundrette: the main character is gay which is an abomination in islam while "Bend it like Beckham" involves sikh migrants.

The term "P-word" is a slur aimed at anyone who is south asian the majority of whom are hindu and sikh.

That’s why I put “Pakis” in quotes.

Do you realize I’m talking about how immigrant communities assimilate well into their “new” country’s fabric—especially the children of immigrants? Do you get the point I am making?

This sort of thing has been going on since, at least, the Irish migration into America. They run into prejudice. They rise up from this, and ultimately succeed in their new country. This is happening with West Indians here. They renounce the rhetoric of crap, go to college, leave their immigrant enclaves, and assimilate and succeed.

Some don’t succeed—like some long-term natives of the country don’t succeed.

The emphasis in “My Beautiful Laundrette” is more on universal gayness than on immigrant communities. The main character is an assimilated Pakistani-British man. In “Bend it like Beckham,” the subject is a girl wanting to be an athlete, with the backdrop of generational conflict between the values of the “old country” and the value of the adopted country.

When there's a specific community that continuously keeps producing an infinite stream of terrorists, no matter how few are these, but they keep coming in non-stop continuous way then that means there's something very wrong going on within this community, the terrorists who actually kill are the tip of the iceberg.

You can think of mass shooters phenomena in the US in comparison, but obviously the numbers of Islamic terrorists exceed the mass shooters by far.

Some of the most sickening comments (especially on immigration or europe-muslim clash topics) I come across on the internet are often written in Arabic; which I can read; my "half can't coexist" come from my observation of those.

Consider the factors that have already been mentioned that are not inherent to Muslims or Arabs:

The French and Europe in general cannot pin all the blame on those against whom they constantly discriminate. It helps nothing to chalk it all up to something unchangeable about Islam or Muslims. The French are the ones in control; they are the 1st class citizens; they have more means to combat the inequality and discrimination facing Muslims, but the state is instead made into another tool to disenfranchise and discriminate against Muslims.
I have known many Muslims and they are ordinary, decent people when you do not treat them as badly as they are treated in Europe. And I live in the USA. That's not exactly a high bar when it comes to social acceptance of Muslims.

In the West you’re much more likely to be killed by a far-right extremist than by an Islamic extremist.

So when Muslims come to the West, or Westerners convert, the majority of them do not engage in terrorism or anything resembling it.

If you read crazy stuff on Arabic Twitter then that’s one thing, but in practice, the Muslims in the West are broadly well-integrated and almost entirely non-violent. You can argue lots of different causes - people taking on the values of the culture they live in, prosperity creating liberals, or the Muslims who choose to migrate to the West generally also being Muslims who already admire Western values (a self-selection effect). But bluntly, your doomsaying is ignorant of what life is like in the West.

Then why many of the Muslim terrorists joining ISIS were living in Europe? And some were even born there.

All that cannot explain how someone can go insane enough to....decapitate a human being.

A lot of minorities and ethnicities are discriminated the way you're describing (as 2nd class citizens), but we don't see them decapitating people , stabbing people and putting heads in fridges.

And in what way France treats Muslims as 2nd class citizens ? as far as I know from my relatives in France aren't treated like this, in the contrary they say they're treated better than in their home country. French laws are very secular.

My family GP doctor who's very articulate and gentleman goes to France a lot, who's a Muslim and his wife is hjabi Ukrainian, and he told me him and his wife were very surprised how well treated by the French especially when they learn he's a doctor. He gathered a very general negative opinion of the French Muslims tho based on his personal interactions with them, especially North Africans; literally he told me "you can't believe how rude and offensive they are. No wonder why the French fear them and consider them outsiders.".

My point is, when you behave respectfully in a host country; you're most likely be treated well - racists exist true - but even most racists will respect you too. When you behave in a way ....like screaming at stores for selling alcohols or even going hysteric because of dogs. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ng-eye-dog or yelling at a woman for wearing a mini skirt....

Then yeah....people are not gonna respect you a lot, and racists will find their racism justified - hell...even if someone behaves like that IN MY COUNTRY he will be shunned too. We love dogs. lol So let alone a host country.


Btw, I was in a French school my entire childhood/adolescence (part of Mission laïque française) , a lot of the teachers were French nationals. There was no instance of Islamphobia back then - however the management was very strict regarding religious symbols, no student was allowed to show off religious symbols such as cross or crescent or Qur'an; Muslim and Christian students were treated alike in that regard. That also includes hijab; no new student wearing hijab is allowed to join the school - they did some exceptions though for old student who wore hijab during high school and they were very few, in my class there was one hijabi girl and she wore it in senior year only.
Even holidays were celebrated in a secular way, like for example in Christmas it was allowed to put decorations and tree, but no references to Christianity or Jesus was allowed - and they're right on that because Christians and Muslims don't agree on the nature of Jesus, there would be friction among the students on that.

One of the greatest ironies and failures of the right wing narrative in France and among the bigots in the US is the success of muslims from Nigeria. Not only are these people the blackest of Africans but they are mostly muslims and they are also the most successful migrant group in the US academically outperforming all the "chosen races" such as jews, asians and whites.

Nigerians deflate the bell curve theory that many white racists still subscribe to,

It is estimated that 850-900 British nationals went to Syria or Iraq to fight for or be trained by radical groups.

In the UK there are 2.8 million Muslims (2011 census). So that’s about 0.03% of the Muslim population. Is that more or less than half?

In France, about twice as many citizens joined ISIS. Let’s say that’s 2,000. There are an estimated 3.35 million French Muslims. So that’s about 0.06%. Is that more or less than half?

In Belgium, 632 people joined ISIS. A low estimate for the number of Muslims in Belgium is 460,000. Is 632 more or less than half of 460,000?

In the Netherlands, 260 people joined ISIS. There are 870,000 Muslims in the Netherlands.

In Germany, 1,060 people joined ISIS. 1,060 is half of 2,120. Do you think there are more or less than 2,120 Muslims in Germany? There are 4.7m. So 1,060 is about 0.02%.

In Sweden, 300 people joined ISIS or Al-Nusra. There are 810,000 Muslims in Sweden.

You get the point.

I fully stand with Macron. Like you said the reactions to Macron defending the right to freedom of speech, even if it's blasphemy was outrageous in many Muslim countries. This isn't a small minority of Muslims who reacted in such a way, it was a very significant minority who's retorts of violent threats are normalised among them to such western values.

If a Muslim wants to come over here, integrated and accept western culture then they can stay, if a Muslim doesn't then they should be forcibly removed because such Muslims can never be reasoned with as the reactions over the last week have proven.

The situation in France and the immigrant muslim communities are different to the UK or USA.

The French were fairly brutal to Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians using the foreign legion killing many. After independence these war-ravaged regions had hundreds of thousands of displaced war-refugees (exactly like Vietnam) to France and north African muslims now make up 9% of the population (the largest in the western world).

With such large communities of people who fled war living in the country that caused their ancestors to lose their homes I envisage there is huge resentment against the French.

I can see this leaves France in a tricky situation, they have never managed their muslim minority and now they are reaping the results of towns/cities in France which have become Shariah states within France.

Many of the attackers are not home grown but they "blend in" and as with 9-11 the sleeper cells exist waiting.

I think it has more to do with hatred of western values as much as long ago brutality from generations goes by.

Yet another attack today once again committed by a Muslim against the Jewish community. This is turning into a weekly occurrence. Like what was said before, if a particular community churns out a steady stream of extremists then there is something wrong within that community. Something somewhere is amiss and the muslims community themselves need to get to grips with it.

Is that muslims? I thought the police were still investigating. Wouldn't be surprised though, with all the Charlie Hebdo stuff.