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27 Nov 2020, 12:22 am

Gatekeeping? I'm not the guy disputing millions of votes.


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27 Nov 2020, 12:24 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
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Folks should just admit they were wrong about riots and they were wrong about a coup.


Folks should stop deliberately misinterpreting things, for example changing "we're worried about the possibility of civil unrest" into "there's going to be civil unrest!" and then getting all pissy when the possibility that was raised doesn't happen. A possibility is just that. Whether it happens or doesn't happen, it was still a possibility. Getting outraged thanks to your own binary prejudice isn't proving anything.


It seems to me that it's one side who's best known for getting melodramatic, pissy and especially outraged. Whilst it seems like the other side mostly just laughs at it.



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27 Nov 2020, 12:28 am

cberg wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Folks should just admit they were wrong about riots and they were wrong about a coup.


But at least they can find some solace in the fact that they were right about Russ...

Oh...They don't even have that.

On the plus side, it didn't take 3+ years to determine this time.


Was Flynn not bribed by Russia & convicted as such?


If you look at the court records and charges, they show he was not in fact found to have been bribed by anyone.

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He was just pardoned by Trump for exactly that.


Given the charges contained nothing related to being bribed, it is hard to see what could possibly lead someone with knowledge of the topic under discussion to believe that would be the reason he was pardonned... The reason for the pardon was related to the potential entrapment by the FBI in order to have a reason to charge him in the first place.

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For that matter, Trump personally asked for Chinese interference on his behalf.


Given his actions have been in the interests of the U.S.A. over China, it strains credibility to believe anyone would expect that China would have any wish\desire to do anything to support him.

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The sardonic anti-American sentiment here is really boiling over. You might do well to remember where the site is run from.


Not sure what relevence this opinion and following statement have. The fact that this is phrased in a mildly threatening manner "You might do well to remember..." and focussing on where the site is run from certainly comes across in a very nationalistic (potentially xenophobic) way.



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27 Nov 2020, 12:29 am

Gatekeeping as in wanting to keep "foreigners" from expressing political views here.



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27 Nov 2020, 12:43 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
In this thread I'll post news stories I come across having to do with Trump's various attempts to challenge the election results including vote recounts, certifications, etc. For example:


Well, expect 4 years of Republican whinging about how the Russians interfered with the election. :mrgreen:
Goose/Gander. 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 12:45 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
It seems to me that it's one side who's best known for getting melodramatic, pissy and especially outraged. Whilst it seems like the other side mostly just laughs at it.


It seems like that to you, and yet that's demonstrably not the case, because you've just invented a reason to be outraged that revolves entirely around a falsehood in your own head. Could have just laughed at it, if what you say is true, and yet....

Subconscious prejudice on display for all to see, but you won't see it.



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27 Nov 2020, 12:47 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
"The weaknesses across these cases illustrate how the Trump campaign isn’t using the legal process; it’s abusing it." About the authors: Steve Vladeck is professor at the University of Texas School of Law, and Lisa Rubin is an off-air legal analyst with "The Rachel Maddow Show."


It is called "Politics".
Twitter and Facebook "abused" their alleged "platform" by interfering with information about the election.
Goose/Gander. 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 12:52 am

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Newsweek seems to prognosticate Mr. Trump's next move...
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I bet your left testicle that Trump won't "burn the house down". 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 12:55 am

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:lol: The last thread we had on this subject was a matter of foreigners insisting we went wrong with Biden after over a quarter million died on Trump's watch. They really like to point the finger at some electronics & bank on their audience not understanding those industries.


Perhaps *some* foreigners did, but I didn't. 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 12:57 am

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When you consider the amount of viloence from Antifa\BLM directed at the current President and his supporters, and the haste with which they determined that "their" candidate is now "President Elect", without waiting for the constitutional process to proceed (and in some cases seeking to hamper portion of this), this would conceivably also fit the definition...

So yes, it could be argued there is a coup attempt underway, although possibly not from the direction you expected.


I never thought of that.
Interesting. 8)

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Yeah look at all those riots it started

oh wait.


Bloody Republicans, rioting on the streets, now that the Democrats won the election! :P :mrgreen:



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27 Nov 2020, 1:02 am

Pepe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
"The weaknesses across these cases illustrate how the Trump campaign isn’t using the legal process; it’s abusing it." About the authors: Steve Vladeck is professor at the University of Texas School of Law, and Lisa Rubin is an off-air legal analyst with "The Rachel Maddow Show."


It is called "Politics".
Twitter and Facebook "abused" their alleged "platform" by interfering with information about the election.
Goose/Gander. 8)


Given that in a defamation case Rachel Maddow's show was found to consist of "opinion" rather than "news", the level of "legal analysis" required for it isn't too high, either.



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27 Nov 2020, 1:03 am

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Interestingly enough there were many complaints about there only being hearsay and conjecture regarding a certain investigation and hearings that went on for over three years.

Everything said about that, is being said about this.

Goose and gander, pot and kettle.


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That's *MY* line! :evil:
OK, you can borrow it. :mrgreen:



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27 Nov 2020, 1:06 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Folks should just admit they were wrong about riots and they were wrong about a coup.


What riots?
What coup?

What are you talking about, dude? :scratch:

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The sardonic anti-American sentiment here is really boiling over. You might do well to remember where the site is run from.


All members are entitled to an opinion, here, period. 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 1:11 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
Folks should just admit they were wrong about riots and they were wrong about a coup.


Folks should stop deliberately misinterpreting things, for example changing "we're worried about the possibility of civil unrest" into "there's going to be civil unrest!" and then getting all pissy when the possibility that was raised doesn't happen. A possibility is just that. Whether it happens or doesn't happen, it was still a possibility. Getting outraged thanks to your own binary prejudice isn't proving anything.


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We are in the middle of a coup. Use the word. Become familiar with it.

• Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel refuses to acknowledge the results of the election. It's a coup.

• Trump has purged the civilian military leadership, including Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, who previously ruled out using active military against protesters. It's a coup.

• Secretary of State and former CIA Director Mike Pompeo, among others, won't even commit to a peaceful transition. It's a coup.

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration." -- Mike Pompeo, 2020-11-10

• It doesn't matter if the Trump administration or their co-conspirators in the Republican Party are successful, their actions in the past weeks are seditious. There is no incentive for them not to escalate further.

Nothing about this is normal.

It's a coup.


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27 Nov 2020, 1:16 am

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Given his actions have been in the interests of the U.S.A. over China, it strains credibility to believe anyone would expect that China would have any wish\desire to do anything to support him.


My understanding is that China* is delighted that Joe won. 8)



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27 Nov 2020, 1:22 am

I'm done with this echochamber. :|


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