19 Dec 2020, 11:55 am
Pepe wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Himmler was the architect of "The Final Solution".
Shouldn't he be given a dishonourable mention?
Shouldn't he be given a dishonourable mention?
Himmler answered to Hitler (just as Heydrich - the engineer of "The Final Solution" - answered to Himmler).
Hitler was a wuss and didn't want to know about such matters, based on what I have read.
The original plan was to strip the Jews of their wealth and have them emigrate.
Unfortunately, other countries were not prepared to take so many people, hence the later laws regarding refugees.
Please provide *evidence* if what I have read is mistaken.
The general historical consensus is that Adolf Hitler personally issued the order for the Final Solution at the Reich Chancellery meeting of 12 December 1941.
This is supported - as the link above shows - by diary entries from both Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank.
Also note that Himmler - as late as 30 November - 12 days before the above meeting - issued orders to Heydrich *not* to eliminate Jews. Himmler would have had no reason to do so if he - not Hitler - was the one deciding to enact the Holocaust.
19 Dec 2020, 6:40 pm
GGPViper wrote:
Pepe wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Himmler was the architect of "The Final Solution".
Shouldn't he be given a dishonourable mention?
Shouldn't he be given a dishonourable mention?
Himmler answered to Hitler (just as Heydrich - the engineer of "The Final Solution" - answered to Himmler).
Hitler was a wuss and didn't want to know about such matters, based on what I have read.
The original plan was to strip the Jews of their wealth and have them emigrate.
Unfortunately, other countries were not prepared to take so many people, hence the later laws regarding refugees.
Please provide *evidence* if what I have read is mistaken.
The general historical consensus is that Adolf Hitler personally issued the order for the Final Solution at the Reich Chancellery meeting of 12 December 1941.
This is supported - as the link above shows - by diary entries from both Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank.
Interesting read.
It is inconceivable, to me, that Hitler wouldn't have given the go-ahead.
Something like that had to have gone through him.
He simply just wanted to keep his distance, at one time, before the s**t hit the fan with America.
Interesting point about keeping the Jews as hostages, but in the beginning, there was a push to get the Jews out of Europe. Unfortunately, many countries refused to take so many refugees, which resulted in the Refugee Convention, after the war.
Quote:
Evian's Legacy: The Holocaust, the United Nations Refugee Convention, and Post-War Refugee Legislation in the United States
https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage? ... &id=&page=
GGPViper wrote:
This is supported - as the link above shows - by diary entries from both Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank.
Also note that Himmler - as late as 30 November - 12 days before the above meeting - issued orders to Heydrich *not* to eliminate Jews. Himmler would have had no reason to do so if he - not Hitler - was the one deciding to enact the Holocaust.
Also note that Himmler - as late as 30 November - 12 days before the above meeting - issued orders to Heydrich *not* to eliminate Jews. Himmler would have had no reason to do so if he - not Hitler - was the one deciding to enact the Holocaust.
That may be true, but Himmler was the architect of the Final Solution, I believe.
N.B. People, this is what a *discussion* looks like, not a devil's advocacy aggressive/partisan debate.
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