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naturalplastic wrote:
That maybe what youve read. But thats pretty much the opposite of stuff I have read.
Israeli model Yael Shelbia illustrates the point I am making.
Her ancestors were from Tunisia. Within one generation her genetic profile has changed so she now looks northern European. Notice she doesn't resemble her Tunisian/arabic heritage. Imagine how transformed Jewish populations living in Russia would be after 1500 years.
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06 Jan 2021, 1:25 am
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That maybe what youve read. But thats pretty much the opposite of stuff I have read.
Israeli model Yael Shelbia illustrates the point I am making.
Her ancestors were from Tunisia. Within one generation her genetic profile has changed so she now looks northern European. Notice she doesn't resemble her Tunisian/arabic heritage. Imagine how transformed Jewish populations living in Russia would be after 1500 years.
Google Tunisian models.
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06 Jan 2021, 1:29 am
naturalplastic wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
White Gentile Europeans (and presumably all White Americans) have their origin in "northern Israel"?
How could this possible be anything other than...stupidity wrapped in stupidity wrapped into even more stupidity?
It is like saying that I, Naturalplastic, am the ancestor of the entire nation of Japan. Japan is a big population country, and it already long existed before I was born, and continues to exist contemporary with me.
The Jewish kingdoms of Israel and Judea came into being around 1000 BC. About 2000 years after civilization had begun in Egypt and in Mesopotamia.
For your theory to be true Europe would have to have been empty of people at that time. Stonehenge was already 15 centuries old when Joshua arrived in the Promised Land. Long story short: Etruscan, Greek, and Roman civilizations were emerging in southern europe at about the same time as the history of the Biblical Hebrews unfolded.
Virtually all modern European languages are Indo-European. No European language is Semitic. So there is no linguistic connection to the ancient Hebrews with any modern European nationality.
Just the first few problems that come to me off the top of my head.
How do you envision what you're saying? you're claiming that people from the northern half of a flyspeck sized country (northern Israel), were the ancestors of a race who occupy an entire continent (White Europeans)...a race that already occupied that continent at the same time in history as northern Israel existed.
How could this possible be anything other than...stupidity wrapped in stupidity wrapped into even more stupidity?
It is like saying that I, Naturalplastic, am the ancestor of the entire nation of Japan. Japan is a big population country, and it already long existed before I was born, and continues to exist contemporary with me.
The Jewish kingdoms of Israel and Judea came into being around 1000 BC. About 2000 years after civilization had begun in Egypt and in Mesopotamia.
For your theory to be true Europe would have to have been empty of people at that time. Stonehenge was already 15 centuries old when Joshua arrived in the Promised Land. Long story short: Etruscan, Greek, and Roman civilizations were emerging in southern europe at about the same time as the history of the Biblical Hebrews unfolded.
Virtually all modern European languages are Indo-European. No European language is Semitic. So there is no linguistic connection to the ancient Hebrews with any modern European nationality.
Just the first few problems that come to me off the top of my head.
How do you envision what you're saying? you're claiming that people from the northern half of a flyspeck sized country (northern Israel), were the ancestors of a race who occupy an entire continent (White Europeans)...a race that already occupied that continent at the same time in history as northern Israel existed.
Maltese is a Semitic language.
Your point?
No point, just stating a one exception. I agree with your post.
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06 Jan 2021, 2:30 am
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
That maybe what youve read. But thats pretty much the opposite of stuff I have read.
Israeli model Yael Shelbia illustrates the point I am making.
Her ancestors were from Tunisia. Within one generation her genetic profile has changed so she now looks northern European. Notice she doesn't resemble her Tunisian/arabic heritage. Imagine how transformed Jewish populations living in Russia would be after 1500 years.
Are you on drugs? Did you look at that picture and hallucinate that she looked like Lindsay Lohan?
Like most Arabs and Jews (though not necessarily Berbers) of North Africa she DOES look "Middle Eastern".
And even if she did look north european (or anything non middle eastern), which she doesnt, she is just one specimen, and wouldnt prove anything.
American, and Israeli Jews of the Ashkenazi sect often DO have coloration similar to that of Lindsay Lohan (Like Kathy Griffith). So they do have north european DNA. But like Kathy Griffith they retain a very different facial bone structure from their Gentile neighbors, that is similar to Middle Eastern folks.
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I always wondered why, say, Dutch Jews and Moldovan Jews score closer together ancestrally than they do to their respective Dutch or Moldovan gentile counterparts. A DNA test is more likely to tell a Jew that he has Ashkenazi DNA (a categorey in its own right) than it is to tell them which European country their ancestors specifically came from.
There is, of course, some admixture with the local European population from later points in time. But these findings are very interesting.
It seems like Ashekenazi Jews are essentially a tight-knit group that have remained relatively "genetically pure" since the Middle Ages and derive from an early Middle Eastern/European hybrid band of peoples.
There is, of course, some admixture with the local European population from later points in time. But these findings are very interesting.
It seems like Ashekenazi Jews are essentially a tight-knit group that have remained relatively "genetically pure" since the Middle Ages and derive from an early Middle Eastern/European hybrid band of peoples.
The Ashkenazi had a small founding population of Jewish migrants from the Rhine area of western europe into Poland and Russia about a 1000 years ago. Their population exploded as they moved east. Once established in villages in Eastern Europe there were rules from both sides (Jews, and their Gentile nieghbors in eastern europe) against intermarriage. So you have both a small group of founders, and taboos against marrying to the surrounding group. So you end up with a rather large inbred bunch of folks. One reason that Tay-Sachs disease appears among the Ashkenazi.
Their numbers grew fast. In the eleventh century the Ashkenazi were about three percent of the World's Jewish population. In 1930 they were about 90 percent. So they are a large but inbred group.
I just looked up Ashkenazi Jews on Wiki, and it says the same things I said. That north european jews have genetic kinship to the Levant. Not to their surrounding Gentile neighbors. Every source agrees with me. Cyberdad must have seen one questionable source that says the opposite, and he must have gotten obsessed with that one source.
I wonder if it depends on if the evaluation is based on Y vs. mitochondrial vs. other DNA.
Also, I'm impressed that mitochondrial was both in my browser's dictionary and that I spelled it correctly.
