Does the modern world have no room for forgiveness

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16 Jan 2021, 2:28 am

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If he survives all his law suites then he will have his money to cushion his fall. He's a narcissist so he will go to his grave not caring about the pain he has put his country through.


His money is all credit. He's got a $400 million loan coming due, and his revenue has tanked. He's been running major scams like forcing the Secret Service to pay huge hotel bills and stealing campaign donations to make minimum payments.
He actually has $1.1 billion in loans. That $400 million is just a part of it. Sure, it is a significant part, but it's still far less than half. So, even if he can somehow manage to survive debtors breaking his legs over that $400 million, more debtors will be returning to finish the job. :lol:



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16 Jan 2021, 2:32 am

Tross wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
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If he survives all his law suites then he will have his money to cushion his fall. He's a narcissist so he will go to his grave not caring about the pain he has put his country through.


His money is all credit. He's got a $400 million loan coming due, and his revenue has tanked. He's been running major scams like forcing the Secret Service to pay huge hotel bills and stealing campaign donations to make minimum payments.
He actually has $1.1 billion in loans. That $400 million is just a part of it. Sure, it is a significant part, but it's still far less than half. So, even if he can somehow manage to survive debtors breaking his legs over that $400 million, more debtors will be returning to finish the job. :lol:


Fascinating. 8O



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16 Jan 2021, 2:55 am

Tross wrote:
He actually has $1.1 billion in loans. That $400 million is just a part of it. Sure, it is a significant part, but it's still far less than half. So, even if he can somehow manage to survive debtors breaking his legs over that $400 million, more debtors will be returning to finish the job. :lol:


If you owe the loan sharks a thousand dollars, you have a problem. You may be made an example of. If you owe the bank a billion dollars, the bank has a problem, and cement overshoes won't help.
Trump is also notorious for not paying his bills until sued, even for obvious things like a piano.



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16 Jan 2021, 3:22 am

The world should forgive Trump's mistakes.
Trump has no filter and he does not think before he speaks/tweets.



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16 Jan 2021, 3:29 am

Dear_one wrote:
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If he survives all his law suites then he will have his money to cushion his fall. He's a narcissist so he will go to his grave not caring about the pain he has put his country through.


His money is all credit. He's got a $400 million loan coming due, and his revenue has tanked. He's been running major scams like forcing the Secret Service to pay huge hotel bills and stealing campaign donations to make minimum payments.


If only that were true. Forbes has him holding 3.1Billion. He's a tricky charlatan squirrelling away his wealth in trusts each time he went bankrupt three times.



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16 Jan 2021, 8:37 am

Well...

Madbutnotmad has still not returned to his thread. So he has yet to explain to us all just what exactly he is talking about.

So ...there is no point in anyone else participating in this thread.

Who are these sinners who are not being "forgiven",but who would have been "forgiven" in some former time? And when was this former time?



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16 Jan 2021, 8:41 am

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I was thinking about how many scandals we have these days, with politics, people in the entertainment industry and business, and think that some of the people who have their lives ruined by scandals in the papers sometimes do very little in order to have their career and life ruined.

I was thinking that the way the world is now, for people in the spotlight, there often is very little forgiveness by the papers/media and by those who follow them.

Does anyone else feel that the power of the press to ruin people over very little has gone too far? Or do you think that the journalists (who are almost always profiting from others hardship) right in terms of attacking everyone they can to make money?


Yeah poor donald trump with all the liberal media lying...obviously trump has the truth of things even though his plan lightspeed for vaccinations was a lie. Clearly we should trust in Traitor trump and his allies to do the right thing.... :roll:

Sorry just not sure these ole trumpers can be resoned with. Hell when they show up in stores with no masks they basically pretend they are deaf to people calling them an a**hole for not wearing a mask. I call them a**holes within ear shot anyways.


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16 Jan 2021, 9:17 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Well...

Madbutnotmad has still not returned to his thread. So he has yet to explain to us all just what exactly he is talking about.

So ...there is no point in anyone else participating in this thread.

Who are these sinners who are not being "forgiven",but who would have been "forgiven" in some former time? And when was this former time?


Charles Darwin has not returned to the discussions on evolution for a century, but people are still interested in the questions he raised. For a time frame, I'd suggest this century vs all others because it is both a neat division, and around the time that comedians started to complain about being censored more after two generations of freedom.



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16 Jan 2021, 9:28 am

People have been slow to forgive since 1933.


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16 Jan 2021, 9:44 am

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Oh, another reason for small scandals becoming huge - it sells lots of advertising.
I think that privacy should be inverse to wealth, because the rich are mostly habitual criminals, and none of them need wealth.


Where is the proof in such a bold claim and what do you define as wealthy?


IDK maybe they refer to that 1% that holds the most of the worlds wealth and doesn't pay their taxes because they put all their money in foreign banks to hide their money from taxation. And of course if you are wealthy you can put your money wherever you want and never even have to pay a dime of taxes. Yet when these companies struggle they still demand goverment help that they would disapprove of that money going straight to employees. So some politicians get to continue the lie of trickle down while half the poor just eat up anything from people like Trump who cares nothing for the people of this country and talk s**t on Bernie because he's a 'socialist'. Well you know we could use a bit of socialism right now like what the f**k was that stimulus of 600 dollars going to do, people struggling to pay rent and other bills are going to need much more than 600 dollars.

rent is already 600 dollars so there you go maybe people with a one bedroom apartment get one month of relief otherwise landlords are tripping over themselves and each other trying to get people evicted ASAP if the pandemic is making it hard for them to pay up. I mean I am sure many people are months late on rent so what 600 dollars allows them to partially pay the rent they haven't been able to afford because there are very few new jobs to be had around here that aren't also effected by the pandemic. And I can see why people are not quite so willing to go work as servers at restaurants, they don't want to get sick...and with all the freaking a**holes who refuse to wear their masks and in my state seems an unspoken code that employees just have to smile and nod at these people and never express being offended of the lack of mask. And that is f*****g BS the employees expected to do this are not making near enough money to take such a risk, especially without universal healthcare yet they aren't allowed to even so much as attempt to enforce the mask mandate. LIke what even is the point of the mandate if half the people ignore it anyways and store employees aren't even allowed to even ask nicely for a customer to please put their mask they have hanging on their chin back up because you know the ....err pandemic, been going on a while it is surprising the amount of people that claim to have no clue(I figure every time they are lying if they don't understand why we are wearing masks and figure they don't have to because IDK I guess they figure they are better than everyone else) I just dismiss those as stupid liar traitor a**holes, I don't even see a reason to regard such despicable things as human beings.


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16 Jan 2021, 9:50 am

cyberdad wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
If he survives all his law suites then he will have his money to cushion his fall. He's a narcissist so he will go to his grave not caring about the pain he has put his country through.


His money is all credit. He's got a $400 million loan coming due, and his revenue has tanked. He's been running major scams like forcing the Secret Service to pay huge hotel bills and stealing campaign donations to make minimum payments.


If only that were true. Forbes has him holding 3.1Billion. He's a tricky charlatan squirrelling away his wealth in trusts each time he went bankrupt three times.


Reasonable people would not have to wonder about this if all rich people and their bank accounts were under automatic surveillance.



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16 Jan 2021, 10:07 am

Dear_one wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...

Madbutnotmad has still not returned to his thread. So he has yet to explain to us all just what exactly he is talking about.

So ...there is no point in anyone else participating in this thread.

Who are these sinners who are not being "forgiven",but who would have been "forgiven" in some former time? And when was this former time?


Charles Darwin has not returned to the discussions on evolution for a century, but people are still interested in the questions he raised. For a time frame, I'd suggest this century vs all others because it is both a neat division, and around the time that comedians started to complain about being censored more after two generations of freedom.

Why did you drag Darwin into this?

What have you been smoking?

Earlier in this thread I raised the obvious point. That point being that it is impossible for any of us to figure out WTF the OP was talking about.

I invited him to return to the thread to...do just that...explain to us all WTF he is talking about.

In the post you are quoting I was referring to that earlier post I had made, and I commented that he has still not taken me up on it and has not returned to the thread to tell us WTF he is talking about.

I never invited Darwin to talk to me, but I DID challenge Mad to return to this thread.

Capice?

Darwin's "Origin of Species" was an exhaustive well reasoned and well documented treatise based on his globe trotting voyage and observations. There was never any doubt what Darwin was talking about. Nor about his reasoning -whether you agreed with it or not. So his work stood for the ages and its implications are still being expanded upon for that reason. And folks are still trying to refute his whole work in favor of the Bible as well. With the OP of this thread its impossible to agree, disagree, nor expand upon, nor to refute what he is saying because we cant figure out WTF it is that he is saying. :lol:

Not that that has stopped anyone! Everone projects onto his statement and gets emotional and responds anyway.

Everyone else on this thread just assumes that he is talking about Trump. So every one else has jumped in to either defend Trump, or to attack Trump. I am the only person who noticed that the OP didnt even mention Trump! :lol:



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16 Jan 2021, 10:12 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Well...

Madbutnotmad has still not returned to his thread. So he has yet to explain to us all just what exactly he is talking about.

So ...there is no point in anyone else participating in this thread.

Who are these sinners who are not being "forgiven",but who would have been "forgiven" in some former time? And when was this former time?


Charles Darwin has not returned to the discussions on evolution for a century, but people are still interested in the questions he raised. For a time frame, I'd suggest this century vs all others because it is both a neat division, and around the time that comedians started to complain about being censored more after two generations of freedom.

Why did you drag Darwin into this?

What have you been smoking?

Earlier in this thread I raised the obvious point. That point being that it is impossible for any of us to figure out WTF the OP was talking about.

I invited him to return to the thread to...do just that...explain to us all WTF he is talking about.

In the post you are quoting I was referring to that earlier post I had made, and I commented that he has still not taken me up on it and has not returned to the thread to tell us WTF he is talking about.

I never invited Darwin to talk to me, but I DID challenge Mad to return to this thread.

Capice?

Darwin's "Origin of Species" was an exhaustive well reasoned and well documented treatise based on his globe trotting voyage and observations. There was never any doubt what Darwin was talking about. Nor about his reasoning -whether you agreed with it or not. So his work stood for the ages and its implications are still being expanded upon for that reason. And folks are still trying to refute his whole work in favor of the Bible as well. With the OP of this thread its impossible to agree, disagree, nor expand upon, nor to refute what he is saying because we cant figure out WTF it is that he is saying. :lol:

Not that that has stopped anyone! Everone projects onto his statement and gets emotional and responds anyway.

Everyone else on this thread just assumes that he is talking about Trump. So every one else has jumped in to either defend Trump, or to attack Trump. I am the only person who noticed that the OP didnt even mention Trump! :lol:


I used Darwin as a fine example of someone who initiated an ongoing debate. Now others are interested in this thread, however they think it is defined. Capice?



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16 Jan 2021, 10:20 am

But with Darwin you at least know what your debating about. :D

But fine...we all can just use his post as a rorschach inkblot test then.



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16 Jan 2021, 10:26 am

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But with Darwin you at least know what your debating about.


We are not debating about evolution, we are discussing how one person can raise a question that then becomes interesting for many. Debates evolve. Within a year, the originator of a new term can find themselves being "corrected" over its definition.



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16 Jan 2021, 2:23 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
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Famous people tend to have their privacy violated on a regular basis.

Actually, according to my boyfriend who has a friend who used to work in Hollywood, many entertainment celebrities -- and their agents -- deliberately allow their privacy to be "violated," as a publicity stunt, to keep themselves in the news and thus advance their careers through popular name recognition. Indeed a lot of the interpersonal drama that goes on in Hollywood and gets reported in tabloids -- the divorces, remarriages, affairs, and quarrels -- is deliberately publicized, and sometimes deliberately fomented in the first place, by the celebrities' agents. (For example, my boyfriend's friend once deliberately fomented a quarrel between two rappers -- which eventually led to one of the rappers murdering the other, although this was not the original intent.)

But I certainly agree that violation of the privacy of people who aren't entertainment celebrities is a big problem these days. (By "these days," in this case, I mean the era of mass Internet access and social media.)

That's fascinating to hear. I never knew this before seeing this post.


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