Are black people genetically good at basketball

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15 Jan 2021, 1:09 pm

as the old saying goes...
if you have met one person in the human race, then you have met one person in the human race.
ASSume nothing... Especially now that the world is much more open.

100 year ago, if you look for someone who is good at Judo
They will almost all be Japanese

100 years later
Judo is a sport practiced in most countries, and there are people who are good in each.

Some of the Africans are great at running, because running is a life skill for some in such countries.
The same runners, if born in London or NY, may have ended up getting good at MC'ing and DJ'ing
or put in prison for dealing drugs.

In the west, there are lots of different distractions that entrap a person
When you live in a poor country, sport can be a ticket out of poverty

nothing better than poverty to motivate a person to succeed
and among those who are motivated
every now and then someone breaks through and makes it



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15 Jan 2021, 8:47 pm

I own medichal text books from different periods, including one from 1930s Germanyand one from the 70s.
The one from the 30s is obviously racist and has comparisons of skull shapes from gorilla to caucasian in it.
But the one from the 70s mentions statistical likelihood of relatively elongated heel bones in black people, which would result in better leverage and propulsion.
It also mentions lactose intolerance being common in black and asian people but absent in white people.

a more recent textbook has dropped the notion of elongated heel bones, and mentions that white people can be lactose intolerant as well, though it's not that common.
there are btw. other diseases one is genetically predisposed to as a member of certain ethnicities, and some very rare defects are significantly more common in a few.

to the person who thinks races are a social construct: well, yes, but only in the superficial way of categorizing by skin colour. But genetically speaking, there's groups - commonly referred to as "races" though that word comes with a lot of historical baggage and doesn't portray the diversity and fuzziness of the groupings- and that means there's increased statistical likelihood of certain things (skin colour being among them, but from a medical standpoint, skin colour itself isn't very interesting) and it's helpful to be aware of that.
If you are a member of a group in which Tay-Sachs is common and you're marrying another member of a group in which that is not rare, you would want to get checked/speak to a doctor before procreating. You could avoid the experience of losing a child.

and if you show up in a European hospital with something that's not easily diagnosed, coming from an African country, you're more likely to get checked for HIV, and if you're from Russia, you'll likely get checked for tuberculosis.
That's not due to race, but due to geographic prevalence and the necessary measures that need to be taken, both for the patient but also the staff.


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18 Jan 2021, 10:48 pm

There happen to be many black people who are short and stocky......not ideal for basketball.

The average black American is actually slightly shorter than the average white American.



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18 Jan 2021, 11:39 pm

Lot of professional basketball players are black. Of course there are white basketball players but they are not as common.

I think it's fair to ask what makes it that more professional basketball players are black than white professional basketball players and why are most of them black.

This thread is being perceived as racist BTW and it's even been reported but no action has been taken so I assume the mods are okay with it or they are keeping a close eye on this thread.


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19 Jan 2021, 12:07 am

I can't believe my eyes. Stereotypes can be very harmful. I don't get why race would make a difference.


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19 Jan 2021, 1:31 am

Funny how those who are against woke culture would be offended by this thread. Now that is what I call woke. :wink:


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19 Jan 2021, 1:37 am

It should be apparent that the top international basketball teams outside of the US are white, Infact the Australian boomers actually beat the US dream team.

African Americans are the best athletes, footballers and basket ball players in the world. But outside of the US POC don't dominate any sports except Chinese in martial arts, ping pong and East Africans in long distance running.



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19 Jan 2021, 2:02 am

A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.



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19 Jan 2021, 2:58 am

naturalplastic wrote:
A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.


Ever wondered why African Americans are so physically dominant over wh***y? being locked in the bottom of a ship for months without adequate food or water, warmth, hygiene so then those strong enough who survived that ordeal then had to survive being violently assaulted, raped physically and psychologically while being forced to work 18 hrs a day in the hot sun doing back breaking work for 400 years.

Is it any wonder really that the progeny of this continuous physical and mental, soul destroying torture are perfect physical specimens of humans. Of course you have to be to survive mentally and physically. Any wonder sports coaches and army recruiters want African Americans.



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19 Jan 2021, 3:27 am

Michael Johnson, the American athlete, made a documentary on his theory a few years back which i found interesting. He basically said the transatlantic slave trade was people picking the biggest strongest Africans to be slaves, then the weakest of them die on the boat, then some more of the weakest die on the plantations. The the slave owners demand more of the biggest, strongest slaves as replacements.

Centuries later and the effects of that are felt in a fraction of a percentage in some people, resulting in them having an edge over their white sporting competitors



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19 Jan 2021, 4:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.


Ever wondered why African Americans are so physically dominant over wh***y? being locked in the bottom of a ship for months without adequate food or water, warmth, hygiene so then those strong enough who survived that ordeal then had to survive being violently assaulted, raped physically and psychologically while being forced to work 18 hrs a day in the hot sun doing back breaking work for 400 years.

Is it any wonder really that the progeny of this continuous physical and mental, soul destroying torture are perfect physical specimens of humans. Of course you have to be to survive mentally and physically. Any wonder sports coaches and army recruiters want African Americans.


I'm not much of a historian but in pretty sure slave ships were consigned to the history books hundreds of years ago.

Why are you implying that modern sports men and women where on those slave ships?



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19 Jan 2021, 4:54 am

Nades wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.


Ever wondered why African Americans are so physically dominant over wh***y? being locked in the bottom of a ship for months without adequate food or water, warmth, hygiene so then those strong enough who survived that ordeal then had to survive being violently assaulted, raped physically and psychologically while being forced to work 18 hrs a day in the hot sun doing back breaking work for 400 years.

Is it any wonder really that the progeny of this continuous physical and mental, soul destroying torture are perfect physical specimens of humans. Of course you have to be to survive mentally and physically. Any wonder sports coaches and army recruiters want African Americans.


I'm not much of a historian but in pretty sure slave ships were consigned to the history books hundreds of years ago.

Why are you implying that modern sports men and women where on those slave ships?

Indeed. The evolutionary culling that happened back then might have resulted in a particularly strong human, but even they still had genetic diversity enough that their descendants would have reverted back to the same physical traits as their African ancestors. What you see in professional sports teams is a similar selection process as slave trading, just without force or killing anyone.

Let’s face it: humans are really just animals, all of us. We could in theory be bred like them. If you are an athletic person, marry another athletic person or someone who has a lot of athletes in the family, and then train your own kids hard.



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19 Jan 2021, 5:07 am

AngelRho wrote:
Nades wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.


Ever wondered why African Americans are so physically dominant over wh***y? being locked in the bottom of a ship for months without adequate food or water, warmth, hygiene so then those strong enough who survived that ordeal then had to survive being violently assaulted, raped physically and psychologically while being forced to work 18 hrs a day in the hot sun doing back breaking work for 400 years.

Is it any wonder really that the progeny of this continuous physical and mental, soul destroying torture are perfect physical specimens of humans. Of course you have to be to survive mentally and physically. Any wonder sports coaches and army recruiters want African Americans.


I'm not much of a historian but in pretty sure slave ships were consigned to the history books hundreds of years ago.

Why are you implying that modern sports men and women where on those slave ships?

Indeed. The evolutionary culling that happened back then might have resulted in a particularly strong human, but even they still had genetic diversity enough that their descendants would have reverted back to the same physical traits as their African ancestors. What you see in professional sports teams is a similar selection process as slave trading, just without force or killing anyone.

Let’s face it: humans are really just animals, all of us. We could in theory be bred like them. If you are an athletic person, marry another athletic person or someone who has a lot of athletes in the family, and then train your own kids hard.


Yeah eventually it will be bred back out I'm sure.

I'm from an area that suffered from borderline slavery of white people and a lot of the people in the past here were equally physically strong from extremely long days in the coal mines. This happened for a long time and many hundreds of if not thousands of men and childeren died in an underground tomb. Just 15 minutes away from me over 400 people died almost instantly in a mine explosion and to this day my grandad suffers from serious lung problems from his mining days that he will probably eventually die of. My area still suffers from poverty.

Not surprisingly I think it would be helpful if people like cyberdad reads up on "wh***y" history before being so quick to make what is seemingly a jab at someone or a group of people.



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19 Jan 2021, 5:33 am

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
A book by an author, who happens to be Black, had an interesting take on it.

Humans first evolved in Africa. So the African continent has the oldest human populations with the greatest genetic diversity. A single African village can have more genetic diversity than does the entire Eurasian landmass.

So "Blacks" (folks of subsaharan African descent) varying more genetically than other races, therefore have a greater range of ability than do other races.

Blacks go to the extremes, while other races cluster towards the mean.

Therefore Blacks would have both...the majority of the world greatest athletes, and...the majority of the world's worst athletes. But since you dont get famous for being a bad athlete the failed end of the scale is invisible to the public eye. So the greater number on the successful end are what you see. So therefor it gives the skewed appearence that Africans are all better athletes than other races, when in fact on average theyre only the same.


Ever wondered why African Americans are so physically dominant over wh***y? being locked in the bottom of a ship for months without adequate food or water, warmth, hygiene so then those strong enough who survived that ordeal then had to survive being violently assaulted, raped physically and psychologically while being forced to work 18 hrs a day in the hot sun doing back breaking work for 400 years.

Is it any wonder really that the progeny of this continuous physical and mental, soul destroying torture are perfect physical specimens of humans. Of course you have to be to survive mentally and physically. Any wonder sports coaches and army recruiters want African Americans.


Not sure what to make of this post.

My point was that Blacks have a more varied genome than all other races. So thats why they go to extremes in sports. Blacks both in Africa itself and those in the African diaspora in the New World.

The "Middle Passage" certainly was lethal, and killed something like a third of the cargo of slave ships. So that might have had a selective effect on the descendants of the survivors. It might help explain why some New World athletes like Pele, and Magic Johnson, excelled. But it wouldnt have anything to do Blacks back in modern Africa.



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19 Jan 2021, 5:40 am

AngelRho wrote:
Let’s face it: humans are really just animals, all of us. We could in theory be bred like them. If you are an athletic person, marry another athletic person or someone who has a lot of athletes in the family, and then train your own kids hard.


I haven't even read this post comprehensively either, but I need to warn people.
This thread has already been flagged in the mod thread/forum.
Apparently the discussion is too sensitive for someone.

Having said that, and let me stress, I haven't read any posts in this thread, your premise is correct.
Humans *are* just another form of animal, and the laws of genetic transference applies, regardless of social sensitivity about this actuality.

Caucasians can be "bred" to be tall, as an example.
The Scandinavians are amongst the tallest people in the world, and this would have to be a result of a cultural preference for taller mating partners, surely.
I.E. Natural selection.

The Truth may be scary for some, but I am The Oracle of Truth so it is only natural that I would embrace reality. 8)

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The Netherlands 72.36 inches
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Denmark 71.89 inches
Norway 71.81 inches
Serbia 71.65 inches
Germany 71.26 inches
Croatia 71.06 inches
The Czech Republic 70.97 inches
Slovenia 70.98 inches
Luxembourg 70.83 inches



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19 Jan 2021, 5:45 am

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Michael Johnson, the American athlete, made a documentary on his theory a few years back which i found interesting. He basically said the transatlantic slave trade was people picking the biggest strongest Africans to be slaves, then the weakest of them die on the boat, then some more of the weakest die on the plantations. The the slave owners demand more of the biggest, strongest slaves as replacements.

Centuries later and the effects of that are felt in a fraction of a percentage in some people, resulting in them having an edge over their white sporting competitors


Yep its basically natural selection in action.