American "leftism" a threat to France...

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I frankly don't watch enough op-ed clickbait to care what people even think "cancel culture" is. If your idea is outmoded, the court of public opinion is free to inform you.

You aren't entitled to an audience because you think your points are more important than those of the audience.

This is a joke pertaining to this post: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=394385&start=16#p8714762
Don't take it seriously.
It was simply too serendipitous to ignore.

And this is my point. You like to complain about the so-called "cancel culture," but you participate in it as well by simply insulting the person questioning you. You imply I am ignorant in order to discredit me. The problem is you haven't discredited me. And this is kind of ironic as your comedian friend was just discussing public bullying. Do you like it when I do that to you? Why not address the issue instead of deflecting with insults? Or is that too much?

BTW, you can get Gone with the Wind on DVD and Amazon Prime. Hardly canceled.

So, where do we draw the line in whether a show should be shown? Does everything have to be continued to be published? And does it have to be publish widely?

I withdraw my comment about whether the OP cares as that's not my business.

On the second point; I probably need to rephrase that to say - The people wanting cancel culture to end don't want to be held responsible if what they say intentionally or unintentionally offends/hurts others. I'm pretty sure that is true.

The French are very protective of their culture, even having an institute responsible for maintaining their language (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_fran%C3%A7aise), rather than (as in English) allowing a form of "free-for-all" where words are added or have their meaning redefined in a haphazard way.

To declare that such a culture - wishing to retain its identity, rather than succumb to another - as being "like something a Trump supporter would say" gives the impression that there is a belief in the "cultural superiority" of a given culture over others, and that those who do not agree with having their culture overrun by this "superior" culture are automatically to be defined according to the definitions of this "superior" culture, rather than in terms of their own, as well as showing a lack of respect for the members of this other culture who wish to maintain it...

Would the same attitude apply to a traditional culture (for example, in Africa), which wished to retain its own identity, rather than have another foisted upon it? Or is this desire to retain an existing culture to be supported in only certain cases, and "deplored" in others (and if so, what are the defining features of a culture which should be protected over one that shouldn't)?

Even the UN (under UNESCO) recognises a right for each country to maintain their individual culture as they see fit:

Source: Article 9 of "UNESCO Universal Declaration on Cultural Diversity, adopted by the 31st session of the General Conference of UNESCO, Paris, 2 November 2001" https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000127160



To expect the French to change their culture to suit the desires of another (outside) culture actually gives the appearance of the French being the target of "colonisation" by this other culture, and that they are trying to resist this...

If all you want to do is rip our statements out of context & play the victim of a mentality we haven't seen you describe yet, be our guest I guess, since the mods seem to to look the other way as soon as you misdirect the rhetoric.

You are parroting your opinions from one & only one side of a country I don't have any reason to believe that you understand.

But no one is forcing a culture onto France. They, and from the article, it seems like the right, are just complaining about ideas they do not like that have been adopted. Culture borrows from other cultures all the time. Are you arguing that the French cannot adopt ideas from other places?

Which is what free speech is: Someone is free to say their idea, anyone else is free to inform them it is "outmoded".



Again: free speech.

Cancel culture, on the other hand, goes beyond telling a person (or group) that their idea is outmoded, and instead works to prevent not only the discussion of the idea, but the ostracising of the person who spoke about it from society through concerted efforts to have them fired from jobs, for example (which were unrelated to the "idea", or the forum in which it was discussed), and working to prevent other members of society from interacting with them...Taking the target of the "attack" from being the "idea" and instead directing it towards the "person".

You mean like McCarthyism and the black list in the US? Or like death threats toward progressive members of Congress? I think you might find your idea of "cancel culture" is nothing new. Nor does it belong on any part of the political spectrum. You could say boycotting is "cancel culture." Of course, the term "cancel culture" is just a political cudgel used to do exactly what is professes to counter.

So how do you think the political right should act to stop their use use of techniques to "cancel" their opponents? Do you think it is acceptable for the political right to simply to simply refuse to compromise and delegitimize their opponents in order to "cancel" their position. This is the huge shift that has been happening in US politics. Do you think conservatives should be more open to discussion?

So the rest of us are obligated to work with just anyone? Nobody is entitled to that captive audience. I think you're confusing free speech with everyone else's discernment.

You are accountable for your ideas about society because you live in it.

Instead of some mythical "political right should act to stop their use use of techniques to "cancel" their opponents", it would certainly help if you provided actual examples of where you believe this "cancelling" occurred (as it's appears to be such a big issue for you, based upon your focus upon it, let's start with 5 examples please)...It's easy to make vague assertions such as that, but without actual examples, they do noting to contribute to a discussion on the subject, instead simply casting (apparently baseless) aspersions on the targeted group.

I found your post odd because you were arguing about what I said.
It *is* self-evident that cancel culture is cancelling TV/Movie programs that are deemed politically incorrect.
I hardly call that being insulting.

"You have the right to be offended, but it doesn't make you right.'




We aren't friends.
You have an aggressive attitude towards me.
I am entitled to reply.
I find it odd that that is an issue with you.

It is indeed an indisputable fact that shows are being cancelled because they are nowadays deemed to be politically incorrect.
If you weren't aware of that, you are now.



I made an indisputable factual comment that many are aware of.
Simples.
Do you agree now that shows are being cancelled because of elements that are considered politically incorrect?
I gave you 2 examples as evidence as to what I was saying.




What part of that statement isn't clear?

HBO MAX has cancelled it, according to the report.
Perhaps they have rescinded that cancellation, but, assuming the article was accurate, and why wouldn't it be, the movie was deemed politically incorrect and removed from its repertoire at one time, at least.



There is a political motive involved that many consider unreasonable.
Personally, I believe in freedom of expression/creativity.

I am not telling *you* what to think.
How about we agree to disagree?

There's a difference between not wanting to work with someone (a personal choice - you can look for a new job elsewhere), and bullying others into not working with that person (cancel culture).

My hostility toward you come directly from your treatment of me. Think about that...

Yes it sounds like an awful unsophisticated over-reaction to one ballet director saying the ballet needs more diversity

utter snowflakes

Sounds like the upper crust of French society don't want to see black ballet dancers. this is all it boils down to