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03 Mar 2021, 1:15 am

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If people honestly believes they were not my own words, then maybe I should look into becoming a professional writer, as it obviously can't be that difficult an occupation.


A few of us on here can write a stream-of-consciousness that has more formal grammar than most people's structured prose.


And then there’s *me* - I’ve been writing my business communications a lot like my forum posts.. right down to the f*****g f***s. 8) but my audience is my best friend and he knows exactly how I communicate - so if I *asterisk* or C A P I T A L I Z E words he Knows what I’m expressing - which is So important because he’s deaf.. which is why I Need to Stress Certain Things Visually Like This when I have something important to communicate.

Take that, ghost writers. :p


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03 Mar 2021, 7:57 am

Twitter is an American company. The vast majority of hate speech is considered protected free speech under the First Amendment of the US constitution.
Does the First Amendment Protect Hate Speech? - Lawyers.com

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The First Amendment guarantees the right to freedom of expression. Many Americans—from college students to journalists to legal scholars—believe that guarantee shouldn’t apply to hate speech. As they argue, hate speech tramples on the constitutional rights of its targets by insulting, threatening, or silencing them based on characteristics that are protected under antidiscrimination laws (such as ethnicity, religion, gender, or disability). After all, the U.S. Supreme Court has carved out First Amendment exceptions for certain kinds of particularly dangerous or harmful speech. But the Court hasn’t recognized an exception for hate speech, unless it falls under one of the other kinds of unprotected expression.

Courts have regularly struck down speech codes at public colleges and universities that barred racist or discriminatory comments. Usually, the courts found that the policies were too broad (meaning that they restricted too much expression that should be protected) or vague (meaning that students couldn’t predict what kinds of statements would be covered).

The First Amendment doesn’t give people the right to make direct, personal threats of immediate violence.

In one of the U.S. Supreme Court's most recent cases on hate speech and the First Amendment, the High Court struck down a federal law prohibiting registration of trademarks that may disparage any "persons, living or dead." An Asian rock group challenged the denial of a trademark for its name, "The Slants" which it had chosen to "reclaim" the derogatory term for people of Asian descent. The Supreme Court said the law was an unconstitutional violation of free speech rights.

As the law stands now, the government (including public colleges and universities) generally can’t bar hate speech unless it’s direct, personal, and either truly threatening or violently provocative. At the same time, laws against hate crimes don’t violate the First Amendment, because they’re based on actions rather than expressions of an opinion

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This protection of hate speech separates America from most of if not all of the Western world.

The first amendment protects Americans from the government making their opinions illegal. It does not affect the firing decisions of private businesses such as Twitter. Businesses can generally fire people or probably manipulate their algorithms for whatever reason the damn well, please unless it violates civil rights legislation or a contract they signed.

In an American context most "cancel culture" controversies have nothing to do with free speech or rights despite the widespread belief otherwise. The controversies are about what consequences SHOULD there be and what opinions SHOULD these consequences be for.


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03 Mar 2021, 7:59 am

goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
If people honestly believes they were not my own words, then maybe I should look into becoming a professional writer, as it obviously can't be that difficult an occupation.


A few of us on here can write a stream-of-consciousness that has more formal grammar than most people's structured prose.


And then there’s *me* - I’ve been writing my business communications a lot like my forum posts.. right down to the f*****g f***s. 8) but my audience is my best friend and he knows exactly how I communicate - so if I *asterisk* or C A P I T A L I Z E words he Knows what I’m expressing - which is So important because he’s deaf.. which is why I Need to Stress Certain Things Visually Like This when I have something important to communicate.

Take that, ghost writers. :p


I'd place you in that category as well, it's not like you're the only one with f-bombs I've placed in there. :P



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03 Mar 2021, 8:07 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
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If people honestly believes they were not my own words, then maybe I should look into becoming a professional writer, as it obviously can't be that difficult an occupation.


A few of us on here can write a stream-of-consciousness that has more formal grammar than most people's structured prose.


No doubt...It would be ableist, though, to point out another's deficiencies through statements such as that. :)

It's probably best to consider the content of what each member posts, rather than the format of it (or worse, looking for\injecting hidden "meanings" into it).



It's a pseudo-compliment since it's something I'd say we share and a trait worthy of appreciating, but not one that inherently means the people who possess it are smarter. It's more like a matter of being better equipped to express our ideas in a manner that communicates them effectively. Those ideas can still be shallow, misinformed, disconnected from reality or whatever.


There's a bunch of us on here who write like professional writers but many of us don't have any significant formal educational background. I guess this means we're the kids who paid more attention in English class than to our conversations? :mrgreen:


English was never one of my preferred subjects (although I did have fun in my final years at school with one task requiring us to write a "script" and using previously heard comments from various people in class and intergrating them into it - not everyone in the class approved, for some reason...) - I preferred Science\Maths\Technical drawing, but it seems some small portions got through into my subconscious and were unable to be evicted (mainly the "comparative reading" and the portions where we had to put together arguments both for and against given subject matter).

The compulsary "Technical Writing" at university also helps - The required "presentations" in both english at school, and in the "Technical Writing" at University were probably what caused my lack of interest in pursuing a role in the area.

(Sadly there was not a section on emojies, so I never know which to use without risking giving a different impression to that which I intend (or interpreting it in a different manner to that intended by the writer), and I'm not a fan of making ambiguous posts in general).


I always preferred maths to English before I had an IQ test done. When I saw how the score was biased it gave me more confidence in my lingual abilities (not that I really doubted them, I just lack confidence in my writing, I knew I could read and argue) but it allowed me to accept that I had plateaued in math. I've only been inside of a university when meeting up with exes, I barely finished high school.

Learning to use emoticons helps me disguise how mechanical my writing might otherwise come off. Study Pepe or Goldy for pointers, they're both quite effective at using them to be snarky or playful.



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03 Mar 2021, 8:21 am

The real problem with social media is that they go after any voice that does meet corporate approval. In the wake of Trump's fall, they are being enabled even more.


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03 Mar 2021, 9:05 am

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The real problem with social media is that they go after any voice that does meet corporate approval.  In the wake of Trump's fall, they are being enabled even more.
Good.  While I understand the situation, I do not see it as a problem.  If only they had acted sooner, however...


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03 Mar 2021, 11:02 am

The horrifying aspect of Twitter is that trolls like Trump aren't hard to identify but there's some very complex stuff being written that is actually hate speech, but disguised so that one doesn't think much about it. And that s**t is everywhere and no one cares. It's packed with misread statistical data as proof for bigotry being right.


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03 Mar 2021, 11:07 am

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The horrifying aspect of Twitter is that trolls like Trump aren't hard to identify but there's some very complex stuff being written that is actually hate speech, but disguised so that one doesn't think much about it. And that s**t is everywhere and no one cares. It's packed with misread statistical data as proof for bigotry being right.
"If one's scientific claims rely solely on statistics, then one needs to do better science." -- My college physics professor.

Statistics are often treated like a more reliable form of numerology.  Hence, when people start citing statistics to support their claims, I usually ignore the rest of what they have to say unless there is also valid empirical evidence to back it up.


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03 Mar 2021, 11:16 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
If people honestly believes they were not my own words, then maybe I should look into becoming a professional writer, as it obviously can't be that difficult an occupation.


A few of us on here can write a stream-of-consciousness that has more formal grammar than most people's structured prose.


No doubt...It would be ableist, though, to point out another's deficiencies through statements such as that. :)

It's probably best to consider the content of what each member posts, rather than the format of it (or worse, looking for\injecting hidden "meanings" into it).



It's a pseudo-compliment since it's something I'd say we share and a trait worthy of appreciating, but not one that inherently means the people who possess it are smarter. It's more like a matter of being better equipped to express our ideas in a manner that communicates them effectively. Those ideas can still be shallow, misinformed, disconnected from reality or whatever.


There's a bunch of us on here who write like professional writers but many of us don't have any significant formal educational background. I guess this means we're the kids who paid more attention in English class than to our conversations? :mrgreen:


English was never one of my preferred subjects (although I did have fun in my final years at school with one task requiring us to write a "script" and using previously heard comments from various people in class and intergrating them into it - not everyone in the class approved, for some reason...) - I preferred Science\Maths\Technical drawing, but it seems some small portions got through into my subconscious and were unable to be evicted (mainly the "comparative reading" and the portions where we had to put together arguments both for and against given subject matter).

The compulsary "Technical Writing" at university also helps - The required "presentations" in both english at school, and in the "Technical Writing" at University were probably what caused my lack of interest in pursuing a role in the area.

(Sadly there was not a section on emojies, so I never know which to use without risking giving a different impression to that which I intend (or interpreting it in a different manner to that intended by the writer), and I'm not a fan of making ambiguous posts in general).


I always preferred maths to English before I had an IQ test done. When I saw how the score was biased it gave me more confidence in my lingual abilities (not that I really doubted them, I just lack confidence in my writing, I knew I could read and argue) but it allowed me to accept that I had plateaued in math. I've only been inside of a university when meeting up with exes, I barely finished high school.

Learning to use emoticons helps me disguise how mechanical my writing might otherwise come off. Study Pepe or Goldy for pointers, they're both quite effective at using them to be snarky or playful.


:oops: :heart: :D

I can Also just be a straight up nerd like everyone else here. I wrote a response to some anti-vaxxer on Facebook that had commented on a friend's stupid anti-vaxx crap post and this girl's response was to accuse me of copying & pasting from google. Umm, no, I know why the annual flu shot is only 60% effective and just explained it to you in my own words.. feel free to google and not find that exact string of text anywhere on the internet except for my post. :roll:

Nah. Most of us didn't have to bother paying attention in English class. FTR, I was too busy working ~full time hours after class + doing extra classes for a career prep program to make the time to read a book and write a book report for my grade 12 English class.. because of this I got a B overall, but an A on the final exam - a girl in my class, who I also worked with, read a book/did the work and ended up with the highest overall grade in English for our entire graduating class (of like 800 grade 12's or something like that) And a small scholarship that came with that.. I was told had I read a book and submitted a report, almost any report, I'd have secured the top grade and scholarship. *shrug* Oh well - she earned it & deserved it. :) But my point is that it's an innate Aspie trait that many of us have - a more "formal vocabulary," and style of writing that impresses some people. 8)


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03 Mar 2021, 11:22 am

Oh that's cute, you think private citizens running a website in a free country owe someone anything.


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03 Mar 2021, 11:25 am

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Oh that's cute, you think private citizens running a website in a free country owe someone anything.
While your sarcasm is noted, and as such your statement is correct, I would still like to know to whom it was addressed.


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03 Mar 2021, 1:54 pm

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The real problem with social media is that they go after any voice that does meet corporate approval.  In the wake of Trump's fall, they are being enabled even more.
Good.  While I understand the situation, I do not see it as a problem.  If only they had acted sooner, however...


Thank you! You just made my point.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:44 pm

Can anyone who's pretending the U.S. constitution was written with the internet in mind enlighten me as to why Trump tweets are necessary for your continued existence?

This thread is based on a political rhetoric from 4chan, something along the lines of feigned moral superiority because you're the ones "speaking freely" & "thinking critically" when in fact you're parroting something so entirely contrary to free market ideals regarding the internet that it's entirely contradictory to conservatism in America as a whole. Let's get something straight, you're also free to run a website wherein people can say all the crazy hateful BS they could ever possibly please. I'm free to DDOS that website unless you pay up to host it redundantly & the whole world is free not to give a s**t what we're doing with your website full of a**holes.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:49 pm

I'd like an internet where free exchange of ideas is not under assault. You don't seem to have the first f*****g clue what you're supporting. You're supporting authoritarianism every bit as much as Trump supporters.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:56 pm

Bottom line:

'You' can't legitimately call 'yourself' a platform if you censor other people's commentary purely because you don't agree with their politics. 8)



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03 Mar 2021, 3:56 pm

Supporters of Donald J. Trump are protesting the actions of a company in a free market economy.

Did you browse on Twitter lately without AdBlock? If so then you bought their product. That's the same thing as buying Sony headphones instead of earbuds because kids scream on planes.


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