Why is the US letting so many people over the border?

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17 Mar 2021, 1:18 pm

Think about it from the viewpoint of those kids.....



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17 Mar 2021, 1:50 pm

Because there is no cause for concerns, despite what the government and media is obsessively trying to, in order to keep you home quiet, while they do what's best for their own interest.



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17 Mar 2021, 2:05 pm

I don't mean to sound insensitive when saying this but why are so many people having families in such poor countries if they cannot afford to feed them? Why have children if you are just going to put them through that. Is it just a matter if giving into temptation or lack of will power?



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17 Mar 2021, 2:07 pm

ironpony wrote:
I don't mean to sound insensitive when saying this but why are so many people having families in such poor countries if they cannot afford to feed them? Why have children if you are just going to put them through that. Is it just a matter if giving into temptation or lack of will power?


Plenty of that across the US also, no?

It doesn't require brains to breed.



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17 Mar 2021, 2:17 pm

Yes for sure, plenty of that anywhere. But why do people keep doing it then? Is it really an issue of no brains without anything else to it?



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17 Mar 2021, 2:31 pm

Why do creatures make new little ones?

I think it's kind of a dead end to speculate on this subject. Humans generally have a right to procreate for whatever reason.

My personal thoughts on the subject get fairly radical and start with "my parents should not have bred ", so I should probably shuddap



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17 Mar 2021, 2:35 pm

ironpony wrote:
I don't mean to sound insensitive when saying this but why are so many people having families in such poor countries if they cannot afford to feed them? Why have children if you are just going to put them through that. Is it just a matter if giving into temptation or lack of will power?


Because they live in countries where women have little control over their sexual agency or reproductive rights. If one is coerced by circumstances to have unprotected sex in a place where reproductive rights are restricted one is likely to end up having kids as a result.

The government and church contribute to the situation but so do the social norms. That same situation would in parts of Canada and the US as well if access to abortion and birth control were to suddenly be more limited.



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17 Mar 2021, 3:09 pm

Oh okay, but if a lot of people are having kids as a result of rape, and the rapists do not want to have children, then why don't they use protection? They are just giving their victims children, just out of pure spite then?



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17 Mar 2021, 4:00 pm

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Oh okay, but if a lot of people are having kids as a result of rape, and the rapists do not want to have children, then why don't they use protection? They are just giving their victims children, just out of pure spite then?


In some cases the perpetrators are also romantic partners. There's often factors that complicate things, it's not as simple as you're suggesting it is; they're not all literally the result of rape.

If one is a voluntary participant but is also in a situation where their ability to actually not comply is limited they may or may not view that situation as rape but it's still fair to describe their consent as partial and coerced. When I had to f**k someone I didn't want to f**k to keep a roof over my head it wouldn't be fair to describe that situation as me being raped, I agreed but the other option was to no longer have somewhere to live. It's not something that's 100% binary even though we might like it to be.

In situations where women have reduced access to housing, employment and education this will reduce their ability to be independent and people who are dependent are vulnerable to coercion, this can extend to being coerced into sexual activity.

In places where access to birth control is limited unplanned and unwanted pregnancies are more likely to occur. It's biology, not spite.



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17 Mar 2021, 4:09 pm

Oh okay, but why do the guys doing the unwanted advances want to create children as a result though, instead of just using protection. For example, let's say a the rapists are also the husbands of the women. Why would the husbands want kids, if they cannot support them, isn't he just burdoning himself, buy not using protection?



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17 Mar 2021, 4:14 pm

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i wouldn't be able to successfully emigrate to Canada----unless I married a Canadian, or had family in Canada.


Why don’t they want people emigrating there aside from those circumstances?


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17 Mar 2021, 4:18 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
i wouldn't be able to successfully emigrate to Canada----unless I married a Canadian, or had family in Canada.


Why don’t they want people emigrating there aside from those circumstances?


We have enough americans, thank you. :lol:



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17 Mar 2021, 4:21 pm

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Oh okay, but why do the guys doing the unwanted advances want to create children as a result though, instead of just using protection. For example, let's say a the rapists are also the husbands of the women. Why would the husbands want kids, if they cannot support them, isn't he just burdoning himself, buy not using protection?


How do you buy something that isn't widely available? How does it become widely available if no one uses it because the church condemns it?

In some cultures men like to have lots of kids to show how virile and manly they are, admitting it causes hardships would be like admitting you're not man enough to handle it. Especially when most of the burden is someone else's problem.



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17 Mar 2021, 4:50 pm

Oh okay, I thought one could take things easy on themselves but still consider themselves manly for other accomplishments, especially the man might be considered to be an irresponsible man for having so many without the cash to back the children up, but maybe Latin American culture is different?

So the reason why you can't get condoms in a Latin American country is because of Catholicism? Could they make the protection illegally, especially if the countries have a lot of crime to try to make money off it seems?



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17 Mar 2021, 4:51 pm

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17 Mar 2021, 4:59 pm

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Oh okay, I thought one could take things easy on themselves but still consider themselves manly for other accomplishments, especially the man might be considered to be an irresponsible man for having so many without the cash to back the children up, but maybe Latin American culture is different?

So the reason why you can't get condoms in a Latin American country is because of Catholicism? Could they make the protection illegally, especially if the countries have a lot of crime to try to make money off it seems?


You can research each country's laws in that regard but in general the influence of the Catholic church plays a big role in limiting access to birth control. Condoms aren't the only form of birth control and require the man to wear them to work which is a problem if women are being coerced in the first place. What macho meathead stops to put on a condom?

Other forms allow the woman to have more control over whether or not they're actually used which helps alter that power dynamic and give her more control over outcomes.