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21 Mar 2021, 3:40 pm

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As an Australian our stereotype of Britain is that London has a rat infestation, the weather is awful, there's no jobs and dental care is pretty awful :lol:


Only certain Australians have that stereotype of Britain... It's certanly not prevalent among those I know.


Yes I did not include the "British Victorians" in that list :wink:



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21 Mar 2021, 3:44 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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Britain hasn't been occupied

Setting aside the visits by the Romans, Celts, Saxons, Angles, Danes, Normans, etc. who invaded and occupied...
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Yes I'm sure the Brits are still ruing the day Hengist and Horsa set foot on their shores 1500 years ago :roll:


Just pointing out the obvious lack of awareness in the original statement, given Britain had been occupied to varying degrees many times through history.

How the citizens of Britain today may or may not feel about those responsible for the invasions\occupations was never part of what was stated, nor what was addressed in the reply - even a very simple reading of the original statement and reply shows that - so I'm not sure what relevence your statement had to the discussion.


There is no intergenerational memory of Caesar, Hengist, Vortigen or Harold or William. The occupations you refer to are at the dawn of British history and not relevant to i) current stereotypes or ii) Britain being occupied.

The closest I can think off is the irish who have valid memories of being occupied and those who remember their grandparent's stories of the bombing of Britain by the Nazis.



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21 Mar 2021, 3:53 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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shlaifu wrote:
Britain hasn't been occupied

Setting aside the visits by the Romans, Celts, Saxons, Angles, Danes, Normans, etc. who invaded and occupied...
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Yes I'm sure the Brits are still ruing the day Hengist and Horsa set foot on their shores 1500 years ago :roll:


Just pointing out the obvious lack of awareness in the original statement, given Britain had been occupied to varying degrees many times through history.

How the citizens of Britain today may or may not feel about those responsible for the invasions\occupations was never part of what was stated, nor what was addressed in the reply - even a very simple reading of the original statement and reply shows that - so I'm not sure what relevence your statement had to the discussion.


There is no intergenerational memory of Caesar, Hengist, Vortigen or Harold or William. The occupations you refer to are at the dawn of British history and not relevant to i) current stereotypes or ii) Britain being occupied.

The closest I can think off is the irish who have valid memories of being occupied and those who remember their grandparent's stories of the bombing of Britain by the Nazis.


Actually, I shouldn't have written Britain, or the British Nation, but modern England - since the Scottish are quite unhappy with their English overlords. I'm not sure about how the Welsh are feeling, really.


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21 Mar 2021, 4:00 pm

The stereotypes can be offensive if used in certain ways.


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21 Mar 2021, 4:22 pm

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I don't find it offensive. A bit annoying because I'm Northern and the rest of the world doesn't know we exist, apart from Dr Who fans.

Life on Mars fans know you exist.


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21 Mar 2021, 4:28 pm

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21 Mar 2021, 5:16 pm

People from Yorkshire are supposed to be hard-working farmer types or sheep-shearers.



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22 Mar 2021, 1:01 am

shlaifu wrote:
Actually, I shouldn't have written Britain, or the British Nation, but modern England - since the Scottish are quite unhappy with their English overlords. I'm not sure about how the Welsh are feeling, really.


The English have had it pretty quiet for 1100 years since William's helmeted Normans occupied them in 1066



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22 Mar 2021, 1:24 am

The Blitz wasn’t exactly “quiet.”



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22 Mar 2021, 1:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
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As an Australian our stereotype of Britain is that London has a rat infestation, the weather is awful, there's no jobs and dental care is pretty awful :lol:


Only certain Australians have that stereotype of Britain... It's certanly not prevalent among those I know.


Yes I did not include the "British Victorians" in that list :wink:


I'm not aware of any "British Victorians", so wouldn't know their thoughts on the subject, although they would likely be the most knowledgable on the subject of Britain, and so not have a need for stereotypes...

In fact, I don't recall having met anyone who makes those blanket assumptions about Britain, regardless of their background, either (outside of the weather, perhaps).



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22 Mar 2021, 1:30 am

When it’s sunny in the UK (which isn’t that rare), it’s REALLY sunny.....



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22 Mar 2021, 2:30 am

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In fact, I don't recall having met anyone who makes those blanket assumptions about Britain, regardless of their background, either (outside of the weather, perhaps).


These are common stereotypes Brictoria but it doesn't mean they are always true.

1. Everybody knows Brits escape the weather to come to Australia.
2. Dental care is an issue in the UK and it shows, the stereotype of terrible teeth on an Englishman is common
3. Every British person I knew said there's a shortage of jobs in the UK which is one of the reasons they came to Australia


The rat infestation in the UK is based on TV but I agree its not a common stereotype.



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22 Mar 2021, 3:41 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
In fact, I don't recall having met anyone who makes those blanket assumptions about Britain, regardless of their background, either (outside of the weather, perhaps).


These are common stereotypes Brictoria but it doesn't mean they are always true.

1. Everybody knows Brits escape the weather to come to Australia.
2. Dental care is an issue in the UK and it shows, the stereotype of terrible teeth on an Englishman is common
3. Every British person I knew said there's a shortage of jobs in the UK which is one of the reasons they came to Australia


The rat infestation in the UK is based on TV but I agree its not a common stereotype.


The dental care is an issue because it is really expensive and most people don't have insurance for that sort of thing. Some dental treatment can cost up to £10,000.


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22 Mar 2021, 3:57 am

Yeah the dentist/teeth things is a funny one. I think it is just part of our culture that teeth don't seem so important compared to other nations. for many, including me, the dentist is thought of as an emergency resource rather than a standard part of your annual healthcare. I think I have been to the dentist once in the past 10 years. Why would I go if I have no issue with my teeth?!

I think the cost is possibly behind the culture. Lack of NHS dentists around, long waiting lists to get onto them if you are fortunate enough to have one nearby and if you go private they are very expensive, and often employer healthcare plans do not include dental work.

If I went to the dentist (private) for a checkup and they found I needed a filling and so I had to go back a week or 2 later to have that done. That whole experience would costs me hundreds of pounds, it would wipe out more than a months spare money and I would be left trying to work out how to pay bills.



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22 Mar 2021, 4:04 am

The Anglo Saxon English conquered the world, and oppressed everyone. Near (the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish), and far (Americans, Egyptians, Indian subcontinent folks, Africans).

But the Anglo Saxons themselves were conquered in 1066 by the Normans. And even today most of Britain's aristocracy and upper class is of Norman descent.

So the A/S oppressed the world, but the Normans are "the oppressors of the oppressors".

So ... the Anglosaxons were considered safe to lampoon. But maybe we all should be sensitive to Anglosaxons, and ...all start having fun hating on the Normans for a change! :D



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22 Mar 2021, 4:17 am

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I do have one question though...

Is tea really as popular in the U.K as we americans think it is? Or are you guys drinking just as much coffee and its just a preference that some people prefer tea?


Coffee shops are pretty popular here but tea drinking is a big part of our culture. It is 9:15am here and I have just made my 4th cup of assam!

Interestingly* all the coffee shops will offer tea but as far as I know it is not popular in them. Tea is cheap and easy to make at home so people get used to having their tea just how they like it, if you got one from a coffee shop then they will inevitably make it not how you like it so why bother.