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24 Mar 2021, 9:33 am

Jakki wrote:

Nope ... never heard of it. Sorry ... and this discussion is beginning to sound a bit secular in schools of thought. Am not sure if am dealing with an inherent bias , at this point. But I must plead ignorance , as am merely repeating what had been termed to me by my biology instructor. It does feel as though information has been left out of this Discussion .

You may benefit from looking up and studying Linnaean Taxonomy, if only to hold your own in a scientific discussion. If by "secular" you mean "scientific", then that is as it should be. Bias exists where irrelevant cosmetic features are considered important distinctions in determining who has certain rights and who does not. Ignorance can be cured, and your biology instructor seems to have left out a lot of data from your lessons and replaced it all with personal bias.

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24 Mar 2021, 2:26 pm

I got a taste of my own medicine, about bring targeted because of a physical trait, in this case gender... I was sitting in the Dr. Office waiting for a blood draw appointment, when an older gentleman walked in... It turned out he got his appointment time wrong, but before he left he looks at me and say "Can I run my fingers through your hair?" Of course I said NO!, Then he turns to another lady and says "Can I sit on your lap?" She laughs, but then he leaves... The nurses said he "jokes" like that all the time and wondered why I wasn't laughing like everyone else... It just wasn't funny to me...

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24 Mar 2021, 2:36 pm

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Am not sure I follow, what your saying from a scientific point of veiw? Am not sure if you meant to imply, That Caucasoid species doesn’t exist and we are all based on African descent and a minority? Of others? Am not understanding your statement about obsolete ? Based on biology or what ?

"Caucasoid" is not a species, it is a word attached to a collection of inheritable traits common to one loosely-related race of humans. There is no such thing as the "Human Race", either. Humans are a species, composed of many inter-fertile races. "Race" is to "Human" as "Breed" is to "Dog".

This is something I'm a bit confused about, either Neanderthals were a subspecies of homo sapiens (homo sapiens neanderthalensis) next to humans like us (homo sapiens sapiens) among other homo sapiens, making modern humans the only subspecies left, or Neanderthals were a distinct species (homo neanderthalensis) and there was never a homo sapiens sapiens subspecies but rather just the species. It looks there is no consensus on this.

I do know from a layman standpiont, science doesn't recognize "race" as a taxonomic classificacion making it a social construct, instead "subspecies" is the lowest rank.

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24 Mar 2021, 2:44 pm

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Homo Neanderthalensis is a "twig" off the same "branch" that produced Homo Sapiens. Below is a simplified diagram of the evolutionary process, and explains why there are still apes extant during the Human Era.

Note that all the "twigs" sprout from the same "branch", and that while some of the "twigs" have died out, others remain.

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24 Mar 2021, 2:47 pm

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"Race" is to "Human" as "Breed" is to "Dog".

Hmm. Ballsy statement right there.

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24 Mar 2021, 3:03 pm

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There's disagreement on whether or not Neanderthals and Denisovans were distinct species or just subspecies.

Basically, species is a human construct that doesn't always perfectly describe the relationship between two related populations.

With animals like humans or grey wolves they occasionally lived alongside and interacted physically and behaviourally distinct but very closely genetically related populations. These interactions sometimes resulted in viable hybrids, which would suggest that they should be considered the same species but they wouldn't have been likely to interact which would normally be definitive, especially given the physical and behaviour differences.

Neanderthal and Denisovan and other 'throwing hominids' might all be similar enough to consider subspecies of the same species, or they might only be a cluster of closely related species. At the end of the day it's a matter of nomenclature and doesn't matter beyond that. There's more of them then just Sapien, Neanderthal and Denisovan too, Denisovan's genome contains admixture from yet another distinct population that has yet to be physically attested.

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24 Mar 2021, 3:10 pm

Mikah wrote:

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"Race" is to "Human" as "Breed" is to "Dog".

Hmm. Ballsy statement right there.

It is what it is.

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24 Mar 2021, 3:14 pm

Fnord wrote:

Mikah wrote:

Fnord wrote:

"Race" is to "Human" as "Breed" is to "Dog".

Hmm. Ballsy statement right there.

It is what it is.

What it is is inaccurate.

Breeds are created by conscious effort. Perhaps if eugenicists got their way breeds of human might actually exist, but thankfully they don't.

Landrace is a concept that's much closer to race.

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24 Mar 2021, 4:14 pm

The road of Political Correctness will never lead anywhere good.

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24 Mar 2021, 4:40 pm

Looks long ways down the Road. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seeing good answers in site .

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25 Mar 2021, 1:35 am

Fnord wrote:

binstein wrote:

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Note that all the "twigs" sprout from the same "branch", and that while some of the "twigs" have died out, others remain.

Why is the last one always a white male?

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25 Mar 2021, 1:37 am

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I just got booted out of an Autism group for using the words "African American" and not even in a negative way, in fact I said something nice and I got slammed for being a racist as it was explained to me, because it's racist to mention someone's race in ANY context...

But the same group did a lot of NT bashing which was pretty acceptable...

So I got kicked out of the group because I mentioned a nice African American guy playing a game with me, while at the same time the entire group was like "NTs this and NTs that"

OMG I mean... Okay I'm liberal but this is too far...

I think nobody mentioned it but "a nice African American" might be literally misinterpreted as the exception to the rule.

What if somebody said "I played tennis with a nice chinese person" it suggest the Chinese person is unusual because they were nice. If you had just said "nice person" nothing would have happened.

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25 Mar 2021, 10:10 am

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I knew from my teen years and in my early twenties that if you describe anyone by their skin color, that is racist. Notice how we never do that with white people?

"I played video games with my friend, he is white." Why do we do this with different skin color? I even noticed it in the media too. Only exception is if we are looking for a suspect or someone who is missing.

You have a point. But I'm wondering, if I start dating someone who's not white like me, and my friends who've yet to meet the person ask me to describe their appearance, is it racist/in bad taste to mention their race? Note that in this country, extreme majority of people are white... or does that not make any difference on if it's proper or not? I mean, since most people around me are white, my friends would probably assume the person I'm dating is too if I don't mention otherwise.

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25 Mar 2021, 6:24 pm

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League_Girl wrote:

If you notice emergency wards in hospitals, police and other organisations mention the following when describing a patient, missing person or criminal
Height
age
gender
race

So if you are dating a person these 4 things will be relevant.

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26 Mar 2021, 3:59 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Why is the last one always a white male?

Is it politically incorrect?

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26 Mar 2021, 5:34 pm

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How would one describe a person of African descent? The alternative and its related terms certainly wouldn't be the correct answer.

Is describing someone as a "Polish-American" racist? Or even disparaging to the Polish ethnic group?

This "woke" stuff sometimes goes way too far.

you're missing the point.

The answer to your question is ...that you DONT describe their race AT ALL!! !!

you're supposed to pretend to "not notice race" at all.

Its not the "African American" part (actually thats supposed to be a lesser evil than calling them "Black" if you hafta label). It that you're labeling them at all.

But it IS indeed PC gone to far. you're not supposed to hate folks because of their race. But its kinda silly pretend that you dont notice a person's race (or gender).

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