The absurdity of Christianity

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It sure does, I remember being bothered by that even at a young age.

Even so why should that be seen as wrong? works as contraception if you want to enjoy sex without having a child, but I guess sex for pleasure and without the goal of offspring is seen as a sin in the bible.

When I was a kid in catholic school we were told masturbation leads to blindness

As if the clergy were experts in medical science as well.

I think that's taken out of context when talking about masturbation. In the story, the man "pulled out" when he was supposed to impregnator the woman.



I don't know about medical science. But I'm willing to bet that lifelong celebates have some expertise in masturbation.

Yep you are right. I think the other scriptures inferred as evidence pertain to gazing at a woman with lust is sinful but doesn't mention masturbation.



There's married men who are experts as well. I haven't seen a vagina in 16 years.

I think you answered your own question there.

I don't know why people have silly views, like why either sex for pleasure or masturbation would be frowned upon, but I know they do.

There's this stupid stereotype that's survived till now about creepy dudes in trench coat going into a porn shop or strip club to masturbate watching strippers or porn and carrying brown paper bags.

The reality is nearly every heterosexual male masturbates to porn. Including religious types and alpha males.

I think it helps to understand Biblical virginity in the context of the time and place those laws were given. I don’t feel like discussing it in depth right now, but I’ve explained it in other posts in the past. The importance of sexual purity applies equally to both men and women.

As to being unfair towards women, if women weren’t vulnerable to abuse from men, feminists wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Men are scumbags. The different laws for men and women are there to hold men to higher accountability for protecting women while giving women a way seek relief from abuse. Not all men were abusive, and men never had a blank check to treat women badly. But with sex trafficking that happens now, you get a small glimpse into a much less scrupulous world such as in ancient times when women didn’t have nearly the protection they have now.

The virginity thing was never a big deal until someone MADE it a big deal. The standard of equivalence was “life for a life,” so, long story short, lying about it was seen as an attempt on a man’s life. Shame had nothing to do with it. No man ever had the OBLIGATION to turn his wife in. But without proof of virginity, he was obligated to remain married to her and accept any children she bore to him as his own. Never underestimate the power of love and mercy in the ancient world. Biblical law NEVER forbids that. So don’t worry about it...nobody is going to die for not being a virgin.

If virginity isn’t a big deal, then the only discussion worth having is sexual purity, what it means, and why it matters. If sex in ancient times was never a big deal, I see no point in making it one now.

There’s nothing wrong with masturbation. It provides a release. And it feels good. And it’s free. And it doesn’t produce unwanted pregnancies. And you can’t get an STD from it.

Yes, and by some bizarre coincidence, the deity is always referred to as "He." But then (as far as I can see), to the people who created him, it was the natural choice because women were seen more as property, of lower status than the blokes, so the ultimate top dog had to be male - certainly nothing to do with the maleness of sexual reproduction as we know it. It's interesting how the things the more primitive cultures didn't notice - such as egalitarianism - are never seen by their all-seeing, timeless deities either. I'm not saying women were necessarily treated like dirt. A farmer tends to look after "his" animals, but at the end of the day they are his property, he gets his way.

Religious people are fond of saying that the deity's prophecies have a good track record of coming true, which might suggest he did have supernatural foresight, but if this article is anything to go by, scripture on the whole never claimed to be predicting anything:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-surp ... _b_4399902

But yet according to the bible it was fine to kill a woman if she lied about being a virgin? So she would literally have to depend on her husband not to accuse her of that and thus have her put to death. I wonder how many women accused of not being a virgin at the time of marriage where killed regardless of if that was the case or not, since there really is no solid way to test if a woman is a virgin.

Just seems in those times women were sold like cattle, like it just got decided they would go marry some man they had never met, because essentially they had been sold to him there was no consent for them it was all duty and obligation to give their body away regardless of if they wanted to or not. Like yeah I just don't see what positives to take from that.

And also on that note I cannot feel to angry at women forced into marriage that had sex outside of that with people they actually did like better. I mean they were forced to marry doesn't mean they were willing to give their all to the person that was chosen for them out of their own choice.

And how can you seek relief from abuse if any admission of having sex outside of the forced marrige could mean your execution? Then you just get the ultimate abuse of being killed for not being happy in your relationship.

Well a lot of women were basically treated as cattle at the time...

I mean you say men were held to a higher accountability, but at the same time acknowledge it was the women who got the punishment of death. Like did men get punished with death for lying about faithfulness to their wives if they had sex with others than them? I mean it is just thinking on how it was back in those times the way the bible talks about stuff I probably would have gotten executed for something like not being comfortable having sex with the man I got sold to. Just does not seem like a time that would have been friendly for aspie women let alone women in general.

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It seems that inequality was just normal to the ancients. Pastoral governance, the "flock," and St. Paul's recommendation that women shouldn't get a speaking part in church. Does the Virgin Mary ever say anything in the scriptures? Certainly not a lot. Revered as the perfect woman. Hmm.......

At some point somebody figured out that pushing people around and keeping them down might not be such a great idea. Suddenly the whole deity game is called into question, being the ultimate hierarchy.

This passage (1 Corinthians 34-35) is widely considered by historians to be an interpolation not written by Paul (but a later addition which was not part of the original text).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epi ... Authorship