Should the government make vaccination compulsory?

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During the lockdowns last year everyone I knew wanted the pandemic to end, including the anti-vaxxers. Now we have got vaccines that are working, people are refusing to have them and are prolonging the pandemic.

I know people's lives are more important than the economy, but as humans we need an economy to survive. And when you have your health, the next thing you worry about is money. So a fully vaccinated person will naturally be stressing and worrying about losing their job or business because of lockdowns. Most people were brought up by a society that conditions you to put money first before your health, because in most cases you need money to live. My landlords will actually boot you out if they find out you are unemployed, even if you are claiming enough money to pay the rent. But being on universal credit or other unemployment benefits is no fun. And being homeless is worse than being dead.

We existed before money, so we don't need it to survive. Economy is a choice. This misunderstanding is one of the reasons the pandemic has become such an ordeal/battleground.

This is why I don't bother posting in PPR. There's always an answer for everything.

You know it was thousands of years ago when people didn't have an economy to survive. Times have changed, things are more advanced. If the economy collapsed the human race will die out eventually (and they're worrying about a virus killing a small percentage of the whole population?). It's not going to become a fairytale world where everything carries on as normal except everything's free and we all live happily ever after.

Do some research. If the economy collapsed, the human race would be in serious trouble. I don't care what we did over 5,000 years ago, nowadays humans won't survive without an economy.

Yes, it can get annoying, but we're all allowed an opinion.



I agree with this. What I'm saying is, our reliance on economy is a problem. It's like businesses that are "too big to fail." If it's too big to fail, it shouldn't exist. That kind of codependence is basically addiction. We should be supporting the things which actually allow us to exist in the first place.

That's the PR spin, but if the politicals cared about the health system, they wouldn't be cutting ICU beds during a pandemic.
https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/215 ... 9-pandemic

Since they are, this is not about protecting the hospitals or keeping people healthy.

And no, the government should not coerce vaccination as strong medical ethics are one of the very few things that seperate us from such abominations as Unit 731 and the Tuskagee experiments.

It should not be made compulsary because it will be a matter of life and death and for a third of the population it will mean death.

The Tuskegee Syphilis Study was a series of experiments that deliberately ended people's lives, and therefore should not have occurred.  The covid vaccine initiative is not an experiment and it saves lives.

You may as well try to outlaw dialysis by citing death by lethal injection.

No it shouldn't be made compulsory but the government should treat the vaccinated a lot better than they are.

It's doing my absolute tit in still having to sign in at restaurants still not being able to walk up to the bar in a restaurant and having to apply for "permission" to go to the cinema. I've had three jabs in the space of a year for feck sake. Why make life irritating for the vaccinated.

Well my gf's Mom and sister work in a hospital and they both say that the hospitals and medical establishment should refuse treatment to the unvaccinated because that would get them to get vaccinated if they knew their medical rights were taken away. Would this be a better method to encourage them?

Well, you could look at being vaccinated as initiation into an exclusive club; one in which only the initiated are allowed access to the club's facilities.

I understand that the UK is more strict in this aspect than the US, where the degree of exclusion seems to be mainly left up to the business owners (here in California, anyway).

Nope. Sounds medieval. The problem with the vaccine too is that it looses it's effectiveness so quickly that many don't even know what "vaccinated" is anymore.

Well, no, the covid vaccines were also experimental, that's why they needed an Emergency Use Authorisation.
If they had gone through the normal process, they would have not needed such an Authorisation.

Secondly, why did people consent to those experiments?
Because they were lied to, misinformed, tricked and, in some cases coerced into them.

The key point is coerced/uninformed consent violates any sane medical ethic.

Oh, boy ... another vaccination conspiracy theory.

Does it even matter to you that the covid vaccines are saving lives?

Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own government separate to an extent from Westminster and they can make legislative changes within those regions to a limited degree. It's very similar to your state and federal laws.

The first ministers of these "states" all dislike England and are nationalist. Scotland wants to become independent and a separate country, Wales wants more power and increasingly wants to become independent and a separate country too and Northern Ireland.....well you know their history with England.

Basically they do the complete opposite of England. If England passes objective and sensible Covid restriction you can grantee your life that the little minion kingdoms will pass irrational and punitive restrictions just to be different to England. I'm half surprised Wales didn't declare Christmas as on the 26th just to be different.

The unvaccinated are allowed into venues still but they need a negative test. Not that it matters much as nightclubs are now shut here and England have openly said people from the kingdoms are welcome to come over the border for new year celebrations where they're still open.

Firstly, I'm yet to be convinced that the vaccines will do more good than harm.
Although I wouldn't mind being wrong on that, as the implications of another Thalidomide are quite horrible.

Secondly, where am I stopping people who want it from getting it?
I simply think that vaccination is a choice, and should be discussed between the person, and their doctor.

I don't think that politicians, should be allowed to practice medicine.

I think this vaccine is shoddy and probably more harmful than useful, at least in my demographic, so I wont take it and if someone asks me my opinion, I'll tell them that I wouldn't take it.

But at the end of the day it's their choice, just as I don't want someone forcing it on me, I'm not going to force someone else, not to take it.

And that choice may not the same for all people.
A person in their 90's, with a host of comorbids, might have a very different opinion on the risk/benefit of the shoddy vaccine to a young and healthy person in their 20's and they have every right to make that choice as does the young person.