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19 Feb 2022, 10:38 am

The time has long past where voting for any politicians from either of the criminal gangs masquerading as political parties will have any effect on America's downward spiral.

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19 Feb 2022, 12:18 pm

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Some Gen Xers who would make a good President:

Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Michael Bennet
Keisha Lance Bottoms
The Castro twins
Stacey Abrams
Chris Sununu (?)
Tammy Duckworth

Unfortunately most of the good Republicans are old. Younger ones were pushed out by Trump. He couldn’t touch Baker, Scott, and Hogan, but they’re all old. Only Sununu qualifies as Gen X. If anyone has better suggestions please voice them…

Interesting list of Democrats. Of those, Duckworth would be my first choice. I think she would have the best chance at beating Trump or any of his proxies in a fair election. In fact, at the beginning of the 2020 election I dearly hoped she would run. One possible reason for her having not run in 2020 might be that circumstances of her birth might call into question her ability to meet the constitutional requirement of being native-born (or however that's worded).

Duckworth is natural-born. One does not have to be born in the US to be born a US citizen. Ted Cruz is a recent example. Doubtless the Deplorables would make a fuss, but they also made a fuss over Kamala Harris and obviously Barack Obama, and I’m not inclined to mollycoddle them by eternally nominating only white men.

Duckworth has a great story (she’d get what I call the “Fnord vote” of people who place a strong emphasis on military service) and a good head on her shoulders.

Chris Sununu is the Republican Governor of New Hampshire. He isn’t as liberal as the governors of Vermont, Massachusetts and Maryland, but he’s still much more suited to governing than any of the Republicans in Congress, even Romney.

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19 Feb 2022, 1:14 pm

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I apologize. I somehow overlooked your intention to not limit that list to Democrats. I thought your remarks after the list were intended to address the Republican situation. That's why I put a question mark after Sununu's name.

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19 Feb 2022, 2:48 pm

No worries, I initially wanted to do separate lists but I thought I’d be able to come up with more Republicans :lol:

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19 Feb 2022, 6:58 pm

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I think it's more likely that Kamala will be pushed on us in 2024, a candidate equally as horrible as Hillary. Biden may not even finish his first term, as he is obviously suffering cognitive decline.

We only get the worst, folks. Good candidates have no chance of getting nominated.

In that case, prepare for a Republican win.

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19 Feb 2022, 7:01 pm

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You all act as if she has won the nomination already.

This is all aspirational at this point.

Obviously aspirational is Hillary's ego.

Aspirational for Trump who would like nothing better than a rematch.

Why would the party insiders and parties voters want to nominate a two-time loser? [b]THE PERSON WHO LOST TO TRUMP[/b].

But, but, but, she is a partisan member.

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19 Feb 2022, 7:11 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

The time has long past where voting for any politicians from either of the criminal gangs masquerading as political parties will have any effect on America's downward spiral.

The problem is, there is too much politicking involved in politics.
Nature of the human beast.
Get used to it.
It isn't going anywhere.

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19 Feb 2022, 7:40 pm

Me and many of my peers (college educated, older, female, married) really fell for Amy Klobaucher as a candidate. She makes mistakes, but she seems down to earth and balanced, despite the difficult reputation as a boss. It still makes me sad that she can't get any traction. Basically, I've come to believe that smart, average-looking women simply can't get any traction no matter how worthy. As a nation, we seem to ridiculously superficial when it comes to how we choose our leaders; we want something that doesn't exist, and find the candidate that fakes it best and looks the part; all flash and no substance.

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19 Feb 2022, 7:57 pm

MaxE wrote:

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For the Dems, here are who I would like to see run:

Jared Polis (governor of CO)
Jackie Rosen (Sen from NV)
John Tester (senator from MT)
John Hickenlooper (Sen from CO)
Laura Kelly (Gov of KS)

For the GOP:

Bill Cassidy (Sen from LA)
Will Hurd (ex-Rep from TX)
Spencer Cox (Gov of UT)
Chris Sununu (Gov of NH)
Adam Kinzinger (Rep from IL)

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19 Feb 2022, 7:59 pm

Pepe wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

The time has long past where voting for any politicians from either of the criminal gangs masquerading as political parties will have any effect on America's downward spiral.

The problem is, there is too much politicking involved in politics.
Nature of the human beast.
Get used to it.
It isn't going anywhere.

Oh, I'm used to it -- for 40 years.

These conversations are like mental masturbation. They don't lead to anything good, none of these a**holes are going to make the slightest difference in wrenching the power from the oligarchs.

It's all over, folks!

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19 Feb 2022, 8:20 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

Pepe wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

The time has long past where voting for any politicians from either of the criminal gangs masquerading as political parties will have any effect on America's downward spiral.

The problem is, there is too much politicking involved in politics.
Nature of the human beast.
Get used to it.
It isn't going anywhere.

Oh, I'm used to it -- for 40 years.

These conversations are like mental masturbation. They don't lead to anything good, none of these as*holes are going to make the slightest difference in wrenching the power from the oligarchs.

It's all over, folks!

Then you aren't doing it right. :mrgreen:

But seriously, I gave up caring about politics a long time ago.
I have no intention of voting in *any* future erection election.
A pox on *all* their houses.

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20 Feb 2022, 6:01 am

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I supported her in the ‘20 primaries.

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20 Feb 2022, 11:53 am

The_Walrus wrote:

Duckworth has a great story (she’d get what I call the “Fnord vote” of people who place a strong emphasis on military service) and a good head on her shoulders.

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Military service seems to be a liability not and asset in the post-Vietnam period.
The last true vet to be President was the first Bush
Clinton beat fought in WWII Bush Sr.
Clinton beat fought in WWII Dole
“Weekend Worrier” Bush Jr. beat fought in Vietnam Gore
“Weekend Worrier” Bush beat fought in Vietnam Kerry
Obama beat fought in Vietnam McCain

Iraq war vet Tulsi Gabbard did very poorly in the 2020 Democratic Primaries.
Trump denigrated McCain’s getting captured and parents of a soldier who was killed and while he received plenty of blowback it was not decisive.

Causation does not correlation and good cases can be made that the results would have been the same if none or both candidates in those elections fought or had no military service whatsoever. Military service does not automatically make you a better President then somebody who did not serve.

IMHO despite the above military service is not a liability, but it is not an asset for a presidential candidate. Despite all the attention given to it by the media it is a minimal or non factor.

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