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08 Apr 2022, 7:00 pm

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No, but it isn't an "invention" either, but merely made up.
here's documentary filmmaker adam curtis on the history of "brainwashing":...


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BBC work too. Is that the same BBC that hid Jimmy Saville for 40 years?

The Freemason Demolay control "Everything you see hear and read."
You don't have the same network in the UK?
Would be rather ironic, a perfectionist cult telling everyone there is no brainwashing.
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the very same
I occasionally looked up stuff in his films and read whatever book he had certain stories from that were interesting to me. So far, I haven't come across him grossly mischaracterising anything. So as far as I can tell, his work is verifiable and legit, however bizarre.

btw. the Freemasons are a hoax by the Illuminati to divert attention


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08 Apr 2022, 7:20 pm

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I occasionally looked up stuff in his films and read whatever book he had certain stories from that were interesting to me. So far, I haven't come across him grossly mischaracterising anything. So as far as I can tell, his work is verifiable and legit, however bizarre.

btw. the Freemasons are a hoax by the Illuminati to divert attention


I've heard the Illuminati is a misdirect to divert from someone else. Anyway the visible part is the media. How do these people become "unflushables" like Jeremy Clarkson . These trusted faces with no great talent. Even hated faces, so long as they are familiar, they are trusted. The media will publicize every "controversy about self". "BBC presenter opens up about their struggle with depression", "Jeremy Clarksons offensive remarks" "Singers shock admission", "This TV hosts feud with the other one." "Will Smith slaps Chris Rock" "Meagan's battle with racism".

Getting back to hypnosis. Im told (dont know) that if you put a TV on the wall with a big aggressive chimp the other chimps will sit and watch. If you attack the TV the other chimps will defend it. It's the alpha male. If they dont help the alpha male they will be killed if the alpha wins. So it's from the primitive brain. In my opinion that whats happening when I point out the fake news and deception. People will not accept the alpha chimp is lying to them.

Didn't have to look hard. How much fluoride are they putting in the water in the UK. Get a filter.
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08 Apr 2022, 8:24 pm

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Not familiar. He sounds logical. However statistics and data does not address the possibility of living in a crime scene: "motive, means and opportunity". "Mass Formation" is part of the means.

I wouldn't dispute living in a crime scene in many ways shapes or forms.

Yuri was a guy who initially set out to debunk the lab leek hypothesis and instead found it most likely true. He's also a guy who cut the other way on the Ivermectin story and went after Brett Weinstein and Hearther Heying as well as the others (Robert Malone and Steve Kirsch) in Quillette because while they'd been right about the lab leak - early, they were quite wrong about Ivermectin, or at a minimum the evidence they were using to justify it was not good.

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Pyramid, All seeing eye, Pyramid with all seeing eye, Obelisk - Coincidence? Anyone on youtube that can talk about covid without getting strikes is probably part of the club.

I spent a good part of my thirties studying Hermeticism (joined AMORC and BOTA), knew some high level masons through that. I'm more inclined to think that we have cleptocratic neoliberals running things, I like the way Andrew Yang put it recently in a discussion with Yuval Noah Harari, we've got a gerontocracy (a drum Eric Weinstein has been beating for quite a while, ie. not just about age but that we increasingly live in a world of code where most of the people in charge haven't so much as booted up a 'Hello World' in any language).

We're in a really creepy place where we're on the edge of automation coming for at least half the jobs, we've got the economy filled with BS jobs, it turns work environments into something like a cross between permanent highschool and prison (ie. competence barely matters, popularity's really it), and it's sharp elbows making ass slaves of sharp minds and earning twice as much for being bullies.

We're clearly headed for 'interesting' times. That's whether we just narrowly miss having a China-style Sesame credit system, whether we narrowly miss full-on civil war for almost all of the working class men being permanently unemployed and radicalized, there's so many ways the current situation could go down hill significantly including all the added stress that Putin's brought us with is adventurism in Ukraine (such as massive boosts in fertilizer cost, we might be lucky enough to have 70's style stagflation again in the next year or two, and it's really unlikely that Jerome Powell's magic printer is going to help much).

I keep up with a lot of Game B diaspora, such as the Stoa (where this is from) and I think this guy does a good job of mapping where we're at and some of the places we can go. Clever title and I can see he's really thinking a lot about smart contracts:



I'm also trying to keep up with Alex Gladstein because he does a good job of tracking the current state of play as far as interactions between crypto and the possibility for our social systems to be more resilient to tyranny. It's clearly not perfect, but, as the guy in the above video points out with smart contracts - DAOs and DeFi do help potentially with a lot of collective action problems which have led us to a place where a***holes of any type who are in charge can spring multipolar traps on us all day long and have us all fighting each over over race, gender, and pronouns.


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08 Apr 2022, 9:02 pm

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Not familiar. He sounds logical. However statistics and data does not address the possibility of living in a crime scene: "motive, means and opportunity". "Mass Formation" is part of the means.

I wouldn't dispute living in a crime scene in many ways shapes or forms.


Thanks for the reply. I came back to this board after maybe 5 years. Expected to find people using logic. Noticing the mismatches in the narrative. Instead most are worshiping the BBC. Jeremy Clarkson paid mega-bucks, still on the tv, still a go-to guy for a comment. This is not normal.

I don't know every "theory" or label. I just know something's wrong.

I did a thread where I proved the media, police and parliament conspired to cover up child sex abuse. Or at the very least lie like hell about the existing cover up. People cant see it. Wont accept it. There was a movie "The Man Who Would be King", Michael Cain and Sean Connery. The locals thought Sean Connery was a god until they saw one drop of blood. I try to show even one media lie. People wont accept. It's like saying the tv isnt a god. Piers Morgan is not a god. It is not normal. I think subconsciously people know if they admit the media lied once they have to re-examine their entire existence.

Where is the little boy and the emperors new clothes? It is hypnosis.

This is like the rightplanet board.

Anyway Im with AustraliaOne party. On the surface we look like yet another conservative party. So we will be called "far-right". We can't run with every thing we believe. Maybe the anti-Hermeticism might be more accurate. We know things go back much further than people imagine. Riccardo called us the anti-establishment party.

Break it to them gently
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Not many party leaders on Alex Jones and infowars lol Dont have to endorse him totally to get some exposure.
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08 Apr 2022, 9:43 pm

I mentioned BJ Campbell talking egregores, this is him unpacking that with David Fuller:


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08 Apr 2022, 9:53 pm

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I mentioned BJ Campbell talking egregores, this is him unpacking that with David Fuller:


From wiki: The concept of egregorial powers has its roots in the Book of Enoch.

I keep hearing about this Book of Enoch lately. Missing book of the Bible. Seems "they" have been studying us for a long time. Perhaps the current mind games is causing people to widen their field of view.



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08 Apr 2022, 10:19 pm

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From wiki: The concept of egregorial powers has its roots in the Book of Enoch.

I think it's really popularized more from French esotericism (particularly Martinism), which okay - Martinez de Pasqually built Elus Cohen (his 18th century theurgic / magical order) based on the idea of the Levitical priesthood, and it might not be surprising that he'd draw on various apocryphal texts.

The way egregore is really used now is a way of describing a 'China brain', taking a model of consciousness like functionalism with multiple realizability, where if I could break that down a bit further with Thomas Nagel's 'What is it like to be a bat?', the concept of an egregore is something like 'Is there something it's like to be an ant colony', 'Is there something it's like to be a flock of starling', in modern occult parlance 'Is there something it's like to be a magical lodge or a political party', or in BJ's case 'Is there something it's like to be the collective consciousness of Facebook or Twitter?'.

It's different from the concept of mass formation in that it's less about accretions of Girardian memetic things and more about the idea that organisms with a single 'I' experience can form from groups of people and then have their own survival imperatives completely orthogonal to those of its individual constituents or even society. Untangling that from game theory and being able to tell the difference between simple network effects vs. what would be clear behavior that only an egregore could give is tough - maybe shared mystical experiences with the same group personality would be the most obvious thing but short of that people having the same urges or impulses separately, that's a toss up because network effects and observation can do that as well.


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06 Jun 2022, 4:04 am

Professor Desmet's theory of mass formation has been receiving millions of views. It is not a totally new theory having roots back to Gustave Le Bon, being implicated in totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.

It appears to me Covid, Climate change, Black lives matter, LGBTQIA+ are all psy-ops designed to reinforce each other. Will the unvaccinated by killed? Will those that can't live within their carbon footprint be killed? Ask yourself where is all this psychological warfare heading.

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07 Jun 2022, 7:10 pm

Just listen to the man. He is explaining the mechanism of totalitarianism. He is shining a light on everything you are against. If you don't like fascist totalitarians consider this explanation of their psychological methods. Ask yourself is he correct that the same methods are being used today. And I suggest being used deliberately.
Breaking Free From Mass Formation with Mattias Desmet

Mass formation - You've been played.

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ps Google went into a halt mode on searches for "mass formation". Suddenly bogus psychology sites appeared to debunk the theory. Factchecked :roll:



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11 Jun 2022, 9:43 pm

Part of the problem with conspiracies is the lack of empirical evidence to support their validity.

In the case of the JFK assassination there is good anecdotal evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald could not be the only shooter (and may well have been a patsy) and that feeds various conspiracy theories. One conspiracy is that mass formation was induced to make the general public believe the assassination was made by a lone wolf. The problem anyway is that we don't have a smoking gun and herein lies the problem.

The mass media publish stories all the time that can't be validated on their own and we are reliant on the individual journalist and their source/sources. So we triangulate the information across different news sources to verify the story. We also look at fact checking sites. But all of this is irrelevant is the different media channels are simply sharing second hand information. So there isn't a lot of trust.

But do we ignore the news because it contradicts our own beliefs? that too is dangerous. Very hard to know who to believe these days. The current volume of internet users who are adhering to strange conspiracies suggests that mind control is plausible but difficult to prove.



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11 Jun 2022, 9:50 pm

to believe that it was just oswald, you also have to believe in the magic bullet theory.



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11 Jun 2022, 9:57 pm

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to believe that it was just oswald, you also have to believe in the magic bullet theory.


Yes the whole event would have been difficult for a 1963 audience to process or comprehend.



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11 Jun 2022, 10:00 pm

Latest interview with a few new insights.

My theory is Climate Change is also a hoax being sold via mass formation. As well as black lives matter and LGBTQ+. And they are all reinforcing each other.

Desmet describes a new totalitarianism called technocracy. Not fascism or communism this time. So instead of trusting the leader they "trust the science".

Corbett Report Interview with Mattias Desmet - The Psychology of Totalitarianism



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11 Jun 2022, 10:12 pm

"they live..." old movie but prescient about how media are being used to manipulate us.



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11 Jun 2022, 10:15 pm

flamingshorts wrote:
Latest interview with a few new insights.

My theory is Climate Change is also a hoax being sold via mass formation. As well as black lives matter and LGBTQ+. And they are all reinforcing each other.

Desmet describes a new totalitarianism called technocracy. Not fascism or communism this time. So instead of trusting the leader they "trust the science".

Corbett Report Interview with Mattias Desmet - The Psychology of Totalitarianism


If your theory was correct then why are those in charge and the conservatives who support them the ones blamed by these movements for causing the problems you mentioned?



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11 Jun 2022, 10:16 pm

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"they live..." old movie but prescient about how media are being used to manipulate us.


I think Marx also alluded to mass movements without describing the mechanisms. So did Orwell. The power of propaganda. Manipulation using group psychology.