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22 Apr 2022, 12:56 pm

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If you don't like gay people, don't go where gay people are.

To work? To a park? To public transport? To a grocery store? To a taxi? To my Uni? To a school?

I can understand not going to gay bars, I'm not into bars in general so I don't go there, but most of the time gay people live their lives just like straight people do. We need to share space, segregation has really infamous history.

But you cannot force a person to go where ever "they" go, whoever "they" refers to. If, for example, I were dense enough to want to avoid a grocery store because a gay person MIGHT be there, I could attempt to go off-grid and grow my own food. We're not really talking about stupid people wanting to avoid gays or blacks or pick-a-minority/victim class. Do people have at a basic level the right to choose who they will hang out with the most and who they will avoid? Of course they do, and it is always in someone's best interest to avoid negativity. I avoid people who complain a lot.

And speaking of segregation, are you aware of calls from within the American black community to keep whites and blacks separate? There are groups of people who feel that their lives are in danger as long as they have to integrate into the majority.

I am not American and I am not obsessed with American social problems.
No one should be banned from public space, unless they poses substantial danger to others.
Everyone has a right to choose their own friends.
Between the two, there's a whole complex world of closer and looser social contacts, some unavoidable. In many cases, people can't just arbitrarily choose to avoid others.

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22 Apr 2022, 12:58 pm

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If you don't like gay people, don't go where gay people are.

No one is banning anyone from public space. My concern is the ability of individuals to ban people and ideas from their OWN space. I'm not obligated to let just anyone into my house. Not even police officers can enter my house without my consent, probably cause, or a warrant signed. by a judge..

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22 Apr 2022, 1:05 pm

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If you don't like gay people, don't go where gay people are.

If One Your Children

Is Gay; Let's
Just Hope You Become

A Little Bit More Loving And Understanding;

At Least for The Child's Sake; Otherwise, They

Are Pretty Much Damned On Earth With A
Parent With Your Ignorant 'Beliefs' That
Sadly May End Up Harming

What You May Otherwise
Love the Most;

Seen It Happen,

Could Most Definitely

End Up Being the End of A Life;
Generated by Just Plain Human Ignorance...

The Farthest Thing Possible From Either
A Teacher or A God Of Love; More

Damning Than Ever For Now at Least...

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22 Apr 2022, 1:29 pm

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And I just pointed out that between your bedroom and a street, there is family, neighbourhood, workplace, your children's school and playground and plenty of other social space that is neither strictly private, nor strictly public.

BTW, aghogday has made a valid point: how about one's children? They legally are in their house...

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22 Apr 2022, 1:35 pm

aghogday wrote:

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If you don't like gay people, don't go where gay people are.

If One Your Children

Is Gay; Let's

Why are you so obsessed with my kids being gay? That's kinda creepy.

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22 Apr 2022, 1:43 pm

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Why are you so obsessed with my kids being gay? That's kinda creepy.

Why creepy? It's just a possibility. What would you do in such case?

One of my classmates in high school happened to be gay with parents who did not accept it. So this possibility has a face for me.

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22 Apr 2022, 1:46 pm

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I don't have to let my own kids live with me.

But that's changing the subject, too. Totally irrelevant. Children DO have to put up with mom and dad for as long as they remain dependent on them. I don't want my kids to stay dependent on me. What they do in THEIR house is THEIR business, but I am under no obligation to allow them into mine once they leave.

Aghogday is making too many unnecessary assumptions. Being intolerant because tolerance requires you to accept things that are not in your best interest doesn't mean that things WILL turn out one way or another. Taken to the logical extreme, I would NEVER accept anyone in my house who threatened me, my wife, or my children, EVEN IF it was one of my children making the threat. If my kid turns out to be a psychotic serial killer, I don't want him anywhere near me, my wife, or his siblings. He is best helped in a mental institution, a prison, or a grave. Same as anyone else.

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22 Apr 2022, 1:47 pm

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Why are you so obsessed with my kids being gay? That's kinda creepy.

Why creepy? It's just a possibility. What would you do in such case?

One of my classmates in high school happened to be gay with parents who did not accept it. So this possibility has a face for me.

My kids are underaged. Why are older people so obsessed with little kids being gay, mine in particular? Not cool.

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22 Apr 2022, 1:49 pm

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Why are you so obsessed with my kids being gay? That's kinda creepy.

Watch the Video i Provided, if You Wanna Get Educated.

Stating Facts is Not Obsession; Just Stating Facts Once.

Considering All the Stresses, You've Related In Your
Family Life; and Number of Children, The Chances are

Greater Than Those Who Don't Experience So Much
Socio-Economic Stress
WITH SMALLER FAMILIES,

ACCORDING

TO SCIENCE;

AGAIN, WATCH
THE VIDEO I PROVIDED,
IF YOU WANNA GET EDUCATED.

Other than that i Believe it is Politically
Correct that Children Shouldn't Suffer
Needlessly at the Hands of Ignorant Parents,

Who Haven't Even Been Schooled on What IS Natural
and Human Nature;

Again,

BY THE
EVIDENCE
OF SCIENCE NOW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Khn_z9FPmU

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22 Apr 2022, 1:55 pm

AngelRho wrote:

magz wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

Why are you so obsessed with my kids being gay? That's kinda creepy.

Why creepy? It's just a possibility. What would you do in such case? One of my classmates in high school happened to be gay with parents who did not accept it. So this possibility has a face for me.

My kids are underaged. Why are older people so obsessed with little kids being gay, mine in particular? Not cool.

Showing interest in a child's sexuality shows interest in having sex with that child. Why else would anyone be be interested in anyone else's sexuality?

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22 Apr 2022, 1:56 pm

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Children DO have to put up with mom and dad for as long as they remain dependent on them.

That's at least 18 years...
I've seen my classmate who "had to put up" with his parents. He was shaky with anxiety all the time, his mental health was visibly damaged. After finishing school, he left their house in a violent row, ending up in a friend's flat in the middle of the night and fending for himself ever since.
I don't find it normal nor healthy, even if I take into account stronger family bonds being the norm in my culture.

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22 Apr 2022, 2:02 pm

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Showing interest in a child's sexuality shows interest in having sex with that child. Why else would anyone be be interested in anyone else's sexuality?

Your assumption is ridiculous.
I don't want to have sex with my daughters but I am interested in their possible future preferences for partners.

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22 Apr 2022, 2:10 pm

magz wrote:

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Showing interest in a child's sexuality shows interest in having sex with that child. Why else would anyone be be interested in anyone else's sexuality?

Your assumption is ridiculous. I don't want to have sex with my daughters but I am interested in their possible future preferences for partners.

Ahh . . . you are absolutely correct. I had never thought of it that way.

:oops:

My bad!

Personally, I never worried about the sexuality of my boys, but only that they would be happy, healthy, law-abiding, well-educated citizens who would support themselves and their own families.

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22 Apr 2022, 2:19 pm

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Personally, I never worried about the sexuality of my boys, but only that they would be happy, healthy, law-abiding, well-educated citizens who would support themselves and their own families.

Ability to form healthy relationships gets quite a share of my focus. I guess you can write it under the "happy" and "healthy" headlines.

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22 Apr 2022, 2:22 pm

Yep, i Had to Talk A Close Relative Out
Of Ending Their Life With A Gun By The
Reality Their Parent Would Never Accept

At Core Who They Were; And No Matter
What, They Refused to Do Any Less Than
Love That Parent With All Their Soul For Real;

On the Other Hand, Later, Much Later,
i Came Down With The Suicide Disease,
Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia From Wake
To Sleep That No Drug Would Touch For 66 Months;

And i Felt Then if That Relative Really Loved me, They Would
Lend me That Same Gun to End Real HeLL ON EartH For me;

As Yep, That Pain Is Literally Assessed As Worse than the Real
Torture of Crucifixion and i Didn't Have the 'Wimpy 3 Hour to 3 Day' Version Either....

Anyway That Relative

Returned the

Favor by

Not Letting
Me Borrow the Gun to Do the Same...

Life is Really Messy; IT'S TOO DAMNED

MESSY TO KILL PEOPLE NEEDLESSLY THROUGH
HUMAN IGNORANCE...

ALL i WiLL SAY IS,

SOME FOLKS,

REALLY AREN'T
'QUALIFIED' TO
BE PARENTS OF ALL
CHILDREN; IT'S TRUE;

SO Damned DEADLY TRUE;

And True at The 'Cultural
Hands' of A Most Contrived 'Evil God', True too...

If it Wasn't For the Ignorant Beliefs; So Many Children
Would Actually Live

And Frigging

Become
Adults instead
of God Damned Dead...

'STONED' IN LIFE SLOWLY
IN TORTURE VERBALLY
ABUSED AND THE

SUCH JUST FOR
WHO THEY NATURALLY
ARE AND SO MANY MORE TOO

BY IGNORANT PARENTS WITH
A GOD SO MUCH LESS THAN LOVE;

Yep, It's Personal For me;
Almost to the Point, i'd Like
to See 'THAT Church' Go Away;

Yet i'm sort of Big on Rehabilitation Instead...

Every Hear The Saying, "Father Forgive Them,
For They Know Now What They Do;"

Same Old
Old God
Damned Story...

Ya Wanna Know What's

Really 'Creepy'; The Ignorance
Folks 'Breed' in Church For Real
by a Lesser God Than Love For All

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22 Apr 2022, 6:58 pm

Some parents are just trash parents, that’s all. But there’s no point in guilting someone just for being who they are, right?

I’m not going to wade into that whole what if my kid this or what if my kid that trap. It’s unreasonable to assume the worst. If that’s what happens in my life, I’ll deal with it when it comes. I think every parent has to face the issue of what if my kid turns into the thing I hate the most. I will always love my children.

How about we flip the narrative? Let’s suppose for the sake of argument all my kids flew the nest, made babies, had richly successful careers, and came back after I divorced their mother and remarried my new “life partner.” What if they couldn’t accept that I’M gay? Am I still a horrible parent for what I “did” to them?

Or am I just being me? I find it fairly inconceivable that I’d ever do that, yes. But supposing I did, I would not impose upon them to accept me or my husband. I would give them the choice. And I would not tolerate them coming into my house and judging me.

If it’s right and good to expect to live free of judgement for one decision, it is the same for the other. I do not go around condemning people I disagree with. I just leave them alone to go about their lives as they wish. I expect no less from anyone else.

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