Pastor Barnhart explains right-wing anti-abortion politics.

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05 May 2022, 6:46 pm

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Well I just don't understand . . .
. . . because you are a man.



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05 May 2022, 10:53 pm

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05 May 2022, 11:37 pm

Well I am a guy so it's harder for me to understand that maybe we all should take responsibility if a pregnancy happens, and just have the baby since it's our faults, but that's okay?



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06 May 2022, 12:18 am

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It is not a comparison, it is a fact -- a developing fetus conforms in every respect to a parasite, except when the mother wants to give birth.

The "comparison" is made to obviate the fact that the fetus is part of a woman's body, and it is entirely up to her to decide whether or not she wants it to continue feeding off her.


So abortion is fine all the way up to the due date?

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Why not make it illegal to get rid of ticks and tapeworms too?


Because children are not tapeworms?


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06 May 2022, 12:28 am

Mikah wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It is not a comparison, it is a fact -- a developing fetus conforms in every respect to a parasite, except when the mother wants to give birth.

The "comparison" is made to obviate the fact that the fetus is part of a woman's body, and it is entirely up to her to decide whether or not she wants it to continue feeding off her.


So abortion is fine all the way up to the due date?

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Why not make it illegal to get rid of ticks and tapeworms too?


Because children are not tapeworms?


If a person does not want a baby they will see it as a parasite, even if they acknowledge its a could be life and an abortion will kill it. I just recently saw a thread on reddit about how a woman who was pro-life changed her view to pro-choice because she had a difficult pregnancy and felt no other women should be forced to go through that if they don't want to. She was willing because she really wanted to have a baby and was willing to go through with the risks of pregnancy..but the important thing is it was her choice. I have no issue if someone is personally against abortion but I do not think that should be a factor in if I was to get one or not for instance.


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06 May 2022, 12:32 am

Does the morning after pill fall into this abortion illegalization issue? Because if not, why not just take that and problems solved?



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06 May 2022, 12:47 am

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Does the morning after pill fall into this abortion illegalization issue? Because if not, why not just take that and problems solved?


Someone may not have access to that, or might not realize they got pregnant till later. And I get you aren't trying to be ignorant but you are still being ignorant I mean you never would have to deal with pregnancy so you should have no say in what a woman decides to do if she becomes pregnant, and I realize you aren't trying to. But the reality is pregnancy itself is risky and even these days it is possible to die in childbirth so it is a big decision and risk to decide to take a pregnancy to term it's not just some easy choice. And I have my reasons for wanting no children and thinkk that should be respected. But yeah I think it is fine if some people are against abortion, but that should not have any bearing on the law. LIke I am sorry but is one of those old white haired males on the supreme court willing to raise my unwanted child if they pass laws preventing me from aborting it before it is born and becomes a child? Or is it a case of 'oh its born now so it doesn't matter'.


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06 May 2022, 1:05 am

Those points makes sense. What about having your eggs frozen instead of getting the abortion? That way, your egg is removed even though it's fertilized in this case, but it doesn't count as an abortion in the eyes of the law since it was getting one's eggs frozen?



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06 May 2022, 2:16 am

Can we close this thread please and delete it. The subject is one thatmany people would turn against me personally if I share my experiences ad only pro abortionists will be allowed the full freedom of speech to answer.
I really feel this site should never ever allow such subjects to be aired.
I did reply to share my personal life at the time when what my Mum had been through but my personal views are not important but I have since deleted my reply after I have seen that what I write hurts others.
Yes what others write deeply hurt me and others also which is why I insist threads like this should not be allowed to exist as we do not really have the freedom of speech to explain deep subjects like this one if ones views are based on personal experiences of others around us or our own and not what happens to be the politically correct accepted views thatcensored sites like this one are supposed to adhere to.
I will therefore ask for this thread to be looked at as I hate seeing threads that cause by nature people to hate each other and cause people to be personally attacked through only wanting to share their views. Thanks for reading my comment.


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06 May 2022, 2:21 am

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Those points makes sense. What about having your eggs frozen instead of getting the abortion? That way, your egg is removed even though it's fertilized in this case, but it doesn't count as an abortion in the eyes of the law since it was getting one's eggs frozen?
I don't think there's technology for it.
Normally, eggs for freezing come from ovaries where it's easy to look for them.
AFAIK, a new zygote is buried under thick tissue in some random part of uterus. You can't find it until it's quite a formed fetus. We can't transplant formed fetuses (if we could, it would probably be a relatively popular alternative to abortion).


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06 May 2022, 2:37 am

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Can we close this thread please and delete it. The subject is one thatmany people would turn against me personally if I share my experiences ad only pro abortionists will be allowed the full freedom of speech to answer.
I really feel this site should never ever allow such subjects to be aired.
I did reply to share my personal life at the time when what my Mum had been through but my personal views are not important but I have since deleted my reply after I have seen that what I write hurts others.
Yes what others write deeply hurt me and others also which is why I insist threads like this should not be allowed to exist as we do not really have the freedom of speech to explain deep subjects like this one if ones views are based on personal experiences of others around us or our own and not what happens to be the politically correct accepted views thatcensored sites like this one are supposed to adhere to.
I will therefore ask for this thread to be looked at as I hate seeing threads that cause by nature people to hate each other and cause people to be personally attacked through only wanting to share their views. Thanks for reading my comment.
Request denied. This thread is so far developing in a civil manner, despite being a flagship hot topic. This is valuable by itself.
If you believe your response would violate the rules, don't post it.
If you believe your response would be dismissed or disagreed with - well, that's how debates work.
If you feel vulnerable about publicly posting your experiences, it's entirely your choice how much you share.


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06 May 2022, 3:03 am

Pro-abortion people equating developing children with parasitic bugs is the reason I will never sink so low as to associate with them. Toxic, hateful people pretending to be better than others is all I see.



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06 May 2022, 3:08 am

Please, keep the topic civil: Attack the opinion not the poster.


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06 May 2022, 4:55 am

Even different women will have completely different experiences.
I don't feel like my two pregnancies gave me a right to judge someone else's attitude towards pregnancy. The nature can be easy or hard on us, our life situations differ, our sensitivities differ... I know accounts of women who felt only relief after an abortion and I know of women who went through full grieving after medically necessary abortions or natural miscarriages. There are so many factors in each individual case.

What I find unfair are sweeping, punishment-oriented policies and neglecting support for people who desperately need it.


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06 May 2022, 8:10 am

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Even different women will have completely different experiences. . .
After witnessing all of the crap* women go through on a daily basis, I would never want to be reincarnated as one.

(*And that is when they are NOT pregnant.)



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06 May 2022, 9:08 am

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ironpony wrote:
Those points makes sense. What about having your eggs frozen instead of getting the abortion? That way, your egg is removed even though it's fertilized in this case, but it doesn't count as an abortion in the eyes of the law since it was getting one's eggs frozen?
I don't think there's technology for it.
Normally, eggs for freezing come from ovaries where it's easy to look for them.
AFAIK, a new zygote is buried under thick tissue in some random part of uterus. You can't find it until it's quite a formed fetus. We can't transplant formed fetuses (if we could, it would probably be a relatively popular alternative to abortion).


But has the government ever tried exploring the technology or do research on it ever, as I assume it would resolve the whole abortion issue.