What is the "Quiverfull" movement?

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Simple tribalism, agreed.

The position is more problematic to society, in my opinion, when it’s practiced by those who are in the majority because it can cause or exacerbate discrimination.

A) Existing quantity.
B) Current policy.
C) Legacy reasons - you need someone to enforce the treaties you once signed.
Otherwise it looks like a simple "debt cancellation".

In an attempt to maintain "The Chosen People", the Jews have implemented a cultural system to support this.
In some groups even today, the mother needs to be confirmed Jewish to guarantee at least the maternal connection.
I am not sure how successful that policy was, over the centuries.

I don’t know many Jews who espouse “genetic conservation.” They have moved beyond that.

Even though Hitler and the Nazis wanted to get rid of what they called the “Jewish Race.”

It should be noted that Jews are not a monolithic “race.” There are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and many groups of Jews from many ultimate origins.

It is true that, in the old days, Jews frowned upon their children marrying non-Jews…..but this is not the case these days.

My mother, 100% Ashkenazi Jew, didn’t give a damn about “genetic conservation.” She married a Dutch Catholic.

The Amish only marry other Amish. They are also the chosen people. I’m glad they are not in the majority because they don’t think too highly of those who aren’t in their cult and, thus, haven’t been chosen by God.

True.

This is only seen among extreme fundamentalist Jews. It’s interesting how similar fundamentalist Abrahamic religions are.

But, as you pointed out earlier, that is how "tribalism" works.
While racial social discrimination is anti-intellectual and unacceptable, each person does have the "right" to choose their preferred partner. How can people argue that they can't?

Should I marry another man and procreate with that man, simply because it is politically correct to have no preferences?
Pass.

Preferring your own partner on the basis on race is not the foundation problem.
It is the lack of respect for other races.

Yes, I know, it is a fine distinction, but this is what happens as a result of the evolutionary process.

But is there really choice involved when one has been indoctrinated into a harmful cult?

I don’t think so.

We are talking about an extreme situation. There is not much room for personal choice in this scenario.

The opposite is happening with my race.
Women prefer non-native races over native race men. Some extremists even use non-ethnic men to compare and humiliate the physical characteristics of men of their own race.

Are you going to stop this too?

That is what I was alluding to in my previous post.



I doubt orthodox Jews would agree with you.
Educate me.



Your reasoning is faulty.
To say: Your mother had no such restrictions, so all Jews have no such considerations, is obviously logically invalid.
All people are not the same, nor do they have the same value system...

The majority of Jews are not Orthodox. And, really, the only Jews who truly believe that crap about being “chosen” are the extreme Orthodox amongst them. Plenty of people of Orthodox origin have married outside of their religion. Some to the consternation of their families; others, with their blessings. Most Jews just aren’t really fanatical about their religion.

My grandmother was no “progressive”—trust me!

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Something that has not been mentioned is quiverfullers’ pervasive problems with child abuse. Physical and sexual abuse are big problems in their groups.

Since they believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, many will even use literal rods on their kids.

Sexual abuse is treated like a sin rather than a crime.

At least in theory they can change that, especially because even already depending on the band/nation the partner is from they might be mixed much further back in their ancestry.

We are here to "prove existence".
Most Christians also have nothing to do with Quiverfull.

I currently believe that no poster is blaming all Jews.

I was responding to someone who might have an erroneous notion of Jews.

If I knew something about your ethnic group that was erroneously expressed in a thread, I would point that out, too.

If somebody said all Germans are Nazis, I would vociferous call out that person for that falsehood.

Quiverfull, obviously, is a “fringe” group whose views are not in accord with the beliefs of most Christians.

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