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17 Feb 2023, 11:48 pm

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The Tang Dynasty was actually quite cosmopolitan, with large Persian and Sogdian populations living throughout China. But obviously this changed. It could change again. China's not some static monolith.
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Actually it is a monolith. China is a largely homogeneous society; over 90% of its population has historically been Han Chinese.

Not sure if you have actually read about Chinese history (just because you happened to have one parent who is Asian doesn't automatically mean you are an expert) but the Han speaking people have over time coerced minorities to assimilate, the same way Korean and Japanese forced minority peoples in their lands to assimilate.

I suggest rather than calling me names, read about your own ancestors and learn something.



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18 Feb 2023, 12:28 am

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The Tang Dynasty was actually quite cosmopolitan, with large Persian and Sogdian populations living throughout China. But obviously this changed. It could change again. China's not some static monolith.
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Actually it is a monolith. China is a largely homogeneous society; over 90% of its population has historically been Han Chinese.

Not sure if you have actually read about Chinese history (just because you happened to have one parent who is Asian doesn't automatically mean you are an expert) but the Han speaking people have over time coerced minorities to assimilate, the same way Korean and Japanese forced minority peoples in their lands to assimilate.

I suggest rather than calling me names, read about your own ancestors and learn something.


First, you are the one who said "white brain" vs "Asian brain". This is absolutely a racist statement. I never claimed that having an Asian parent made me an expert. I brought it up because I really goddamn resent the way that racists like you assume we all think a certain way. The only way that would be true is if "Asian brains" were inherently different--which is something you suggested.

My reference to China not being a monolith wasn't about ethnicity. You assumed it was. My comment was about the fact that Chinese are humans. That means they do not all have the same opinion, and that the China of today is not the China of a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago. There's not some endlessly patient "Asian brain" waiting there.



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18 Feb 2023, 5:19 am

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I agree Pepe, I keep imagining what it will look like here in the US.


I can't see them militarily invading the US.
And they are hyper-focused on the Pacific sphere of influence which includes Australia.
So, you guys are safe.
We are not. 8O



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18 Feb 2023, 5:25 am

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First, you are the one who said "white brain" vs "Asian brain". This is absolutely a racist statement. I never claimed that having an Asian parent made me an expert. I brought it up because I really goddamn resent the way that racists like you assume we all think a certain way. The only way that would be true is if "Asian brains" were inherently different--which is something you suggested..


It's actually fact. Chinese people are collectivist and Europeans are individualists. It's a proven fact that brain function is impacted by culture
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6870804/

Second if you read what I posted, I was actually saying collectivist chinese brains are patient, not impulsive like individualistic Europeans. I was complimenting Asians. I also said Chinese culture was more advanced and was a global power long for the European renaissance, Through no fault of their own, individual Chinese emperors chose to close the jade gates to the west and this made China vulnerable to the Mongol hordes who cut China off the west,

Hence the developments in Europe after the middle ages was largely unknown and it was not until Europeans started venturing into east Asia in the 19th century that China, Japan and Korea began to be exposed to modernisation.



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18 Feb 2023, 5:26 am

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China has some serious internal issues. Their population will start to shrink, which will increase its internal pressures to support the elderly. They cannot accept immigrants to fix this.

Remember, in the year 1900 people were saying China was going to dominate the world. Outsiders discount their internal pressures which have consistently kept them from projecting power for centuries.

Per person, China was richer in 1250 than it was in 1900. They've got a billion people and they aren't as unified as it appears.


You are in a safe place.
Australia is on the doorstep of China's political sphere of influence.
I doubt you have been keeping track of current events in regard to the CCP's jingoistic aggression as much as I have.

I have been talking about Chinese aggression since before it was recognised in the mainstream media.
I have been accused of racism because I was warning what was happening.
And yet, he we are, with the entire western world now talking about the concerns of the possibility of WWIII starting in the Pacific.

If you are trying to placate me/Australia, I thank you for your intentions, but putting our collective heads in the sand won't change the reality of the situation.

Radio Free Australia signing out... 8)


1. Chinas military is seriously overrated by outsiders. To actually pose a threat to you, they would need to get Taiwan first, otherwise their navy is hemmed in by Taiwan and Japan. Wake me up after they invade.

2. I never said "ignore them." I favor facing them, but my they aren't going to get to world domination.

I find it difficult to discuss things with people that read way more into what I said than I said, and then toss in the casual insult implying I don't keep up with events.


Oddly, I feel the same way. :mrgreen:

Could you cut and paste where you think I insulted you?
Perhaps you are not familiar with my style. 8)



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18 Feb 2023, 5:31 am

Not comfortable bringing RACISM into the thread, guys. ;)



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18 Feb 2023, 5:33 am

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The risk isn't that China will take over the world (it can't).

The risk is that it will try, and in so doing, cause a huge (potentially nuclear) conflagration.

(To be clear, I'm basically agreeing with you, just emphasizing that China is a real danger, but not in the way some people think it is).


Thank you for your reasonable position. 8)



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18 Feb 2023, 5:33 am

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My reference to China not being a monolith wasn't about ethnicity. You assumed it was. My comment was about the fact that Chinese are humans. That means they do not all have the same opinion, and that the China of today is not the China of a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago. There's not some endlessly patient "Asian brain" waiting there.


I've read the writing of Chinese intellectuals and leaders such as Sun Yat Sen, Mao Tse Tung and Lee Kuan Yew. I recommend you read their insights into Chinese societies both in China and in South East Asia, It exactly aligns/reinforces the idea the Chinese are patient and long term in their thinking. (this is literally the title of this thread written by the OP) Much of this isn't new either. You will find these values in the writing of General Sun Tzu's Art of War written in and in the writing of Confucius both written at the time of the earliest Han Chinese empires in the 5th century BC.



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18 Feb 2023, 5:41 am

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My reference to China not being a monolith wasn't about ethnicity. You assumed it was. My comment was about the fact that Chinese are humans. That means they do not all have the same opinion, and that the China of today is not the China of a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago. There's not some endlessly patient "Asian brain" waiting there.


I've read the writing of Chinese intellectuals and leaders such as Sun Yat Sen, Mao Tse Tung and Lee Kuan Yew. I recommend you read their insights into Chinese societies both in China and in South East Asia, It exactly aligns/reinforces the idea the Chinese are patient and long term in their thinking. (this is literally the title of this thread written by the OP) Much of this isn't new either. You will find these values in the writing of General Sun Tzu's Art of War written in and in the writing of Confucius both written at the time of the earliest Han Chinese empires in the 5th century BC.


I have the IMPRESSION that this is correct.
This is a cultural thing, not a racial one, agreed.



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18 Feb 2023, 6:00 am

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Discussion on cultural differences is acceptable - however, claims about "<race/nation/gender/etc> brain" are a racist language explicitly forbiden on WrongPlanet.net.


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18 Feb 2023, 6:05 am

Apologies I did not express myself properly, Yes, I mean't culture influences behaviour. Not the brain.



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18 Feb 2023, 3:55 pm

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Now, how will they go about it? To use Nuclear power is counterproductive, you can't claim dominion over a wasteland. While I believe the balloon was surveying our arms cache locations, how will they overcome the NORAD? Or any of the other radar/planes to destroy them?
Ground troops will meet armed resistance by the Army and citizens.

No the spy balloon is a red herring. The real purpose of the balloon is nuclear detonation. This is not counterproductive and wouldn't make America into a wasteland. It would only cause an EMP and disable the electric grid. Then the desperate Americas will quickly surrender to CCP once they promise to give many supplies and aid. That is why they want California as weak as possible.


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* the most logical explanation I can come up with is that they'll have inside help. But, I just have a really hard time imagining all of my countrymen and women turning on their own families in sufficient numbers to accomplish this.

They already have inside help. I don't think its a coincidence how Australia and California have very restrictive gun rights. Opening them up to easy occupation if there is a naval failure.



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18 Feb 2023, 4:08 pm

I hate to say it, there's a reason no one makes 100 year plans - those plans will be obsolete on far shorter time horizons. It's hard to even make a five year plan these days with how rapidly economic and security vulnerabilities are changing.

What they have, OTOH, is the biggest demographic house of cards in the world. If they can't deal with their population going to 650 million by the end of the century there isn't a lot that's going to matter.


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18 Feb 2023, 6:33 pm

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I hate to say it, there's a reason no one makes 100 year plans - those plans will be obsolete on far shorter time horizons. It's hard to even make a five year plan these days with how rapidly economic and security vulnerabilities are changing.

What they have, OTOH, is the biggest demographic house of cards in the world. If they can't deal with their population going to 650 million by the end of the century there isn't a lot that's going to matter.


Exactly. Any 100 year plan will be obsolete within a decade or two.



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18 Feb 2023, 6:53 pm

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I hate to say it, there's a reason no one makes 100 year plans - those plans will be obsolete on far shorter time horizons. It's hard to even make a five year plan these days with how rapidly economic and security vulnerabilities are changing.

What they have, OTOH, is the biggest demographic house of cards in the world. If they can't deal with their population going to 650 million by the end of the century there isn't a lot that's going to matter.


Exactly. Any 100 year plan will be obsolete within a decade or two.


Why not educate yourself rather than throwing opinions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventio ... _Territory

China through emperors, democracy, nationalists and communists quietly waited to re-acquire this most valuable of territories. At a time when China was closed off and Mao was consolidating control of his people, HK was a window to the outside world of capital. Reacquiring it in 1997 was a catalyst to re-starting it's global commercial interests. China now quietly and patiently waits while Taiwan slowly gets absorbed into it's control.



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18 Feb 2023, 7:23 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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I hate to say it, there's a reason no one makes 100 year plans - those plans will be obsolete on far shorter time horizons. It's hard to even make a five year plan these days with how rapidly economic and security vulnerabilities are changing.

What they have, OTOH, is the biggest demographic house of cards in the world. If they can't deal with their population going to 650 million by the end of the century there isn't a lot that's going to matter.


Exactly. Any 100 year plan will be obsolete within a decade or two.


Why not educate yourself rather than throwing opinions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventio ... _Territory

China through emperors, democracy, nationalists and communists quietly waited to re-acquire this most valuable of territories. At a time when China was closed off and Mao was consolidating control of his people, HK was a window to the outside world of capital. Reacquiring it in 1997 was a catalyst to re-starting it's global commercial interests. China now quietly and patiently waits while Taiwan slowly gets absorbed into it's control.


Stop f*****g lecturing me like you're some sort of expert. You have a consistent tendency to describe East Asians in the most negative possible light. I remember the s**t you said about us in the thread regarding Harvard admissions, and again in the Korean stampede. You'll never fail to bring up some kind of negative aspect and ascribe it to all of us.

That's why I don't care that you've spent time in Asia or have read books by notable Asians. All you did was use them to confirm and justify your expectations. I guarantee you that I know more about Chinese and Japanese history than you do. That's why I know China is cyclical (which is one of the most basic elements of its history), and tends to have internal problems that destabilize the current regime to the point of collapse.

You, on the other hand, filter everything through this Yellow Peril BS.