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14 May 2023, 10:35 pm

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Ancient civilizations also consumed poisons. Liquid mercury was drank with meals by the Greeks and Romans. They believed it helped in digestion. .

Not just them
https://www.ancient-origins.net/weird-f ... fe-0017223

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14 May 2023, 10:47 pm

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Graham Hancock provides an an answer to some of the questions you all have been asking. He says humans have amnesia of an ancient sophisticated civilization. Also, he says the Amazon was a garden full of cities.

He has a series on US Netflix called “Ancient Apocalypse”. I saw him first on Joe Rogan on YouTube. Apparently, he has been touting his ideas a while. I think his ideas make perfect sense especially the part about the “younger dry us” (wrong spelling). It actually doesn’t sound crazy if you watch the series.

Watched his series, read most of his books as well. He's been the target of academic ridicule since the late 1980s but so far on the ball. He did trip up over his claims on the face on mars (published in his book "Mars Mystery). This is used as ammunition to call him a grifter.

I think it's fair, he made a call and was perhaps wrong (although the jury is out on how much you can trust NASA).

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14 May 2023, 11:19 pm

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The Dwarka story is totaly unproven (despite what the Gaia network tells you).

Egypt, Sumer, and the Indus Valley were small enclaves of high civilization, when Europe and everyone else on earth were still all a bunch of savages, appearing at about the same time as each other around 3000 BC. And the three probably influenced each other. But there are no known comparable civilizations "9000 years older" than the three. Nor even any just a fortnight older than those three for that matter.

Archeologists are still trying to work out if and how each influenced the other. But claiming that any of the three had primacy of any kind over the others is not "eurocentric" because none of the three are European.

Not quite...Eurocentrism is a worldview that is centered on Western civilization or a biased view that favors it over non-Western civilizations.

It might have escaped your discerning eye but European archaeology over the past several centuries has made some notoriously bad calls and globally has a reputation for something called scientific racism where certain dogmas could not be budged even in 2023.

I don't want to overstate the point but you can't rely on ancient sources that align with your theories as proof and call other sources mythology because they don't align

I'l start with Indian archaeology. The discovery by Mortimer Wheeler of the Indus Valley turned upside down a Western belief based on pathetic consensus that civilisation in India (or for that matter Western Europe) could not have existed prior to the arrival of horse driven chariot riders from the Steppes of central Europe. Almost every history text written in English about India pushed this line.

The Indian archaeological society has in the last 20 years been able launch some fantastic digs across India finding that cultural technology not only pre-dates the arrival of Indo-European languages in India but also that hinduism itself is not a creation of brutish steppe nomadic tribes. This has implications for the founding of Europe itself.

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14 May 2023, 11:31 pm

"Ancient Europeans Took Hallucinogenic Drugs 3,000 Years Ago"

Stoners in the Stone Age???

From some of the crap in their history, they seem to have never stopped.

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15 May 2023, 10:10 am

cyberdad wrote:

QuantumChemist wrote:

Ancient civilizations also consumed poisons. Liquid mercury was drank with meals by the Greeks and Romans. They believed it helped in digestion. .

Not just them
https://www.ancient-origins.net/weird-f ... fe-0017223

Ah, yes. I think that was the Chinese emperor that had a tomb with a literal river of liquid mercury flowing in it. The tomb is very toxic still to this day due to the buildup of extremely hazardous mercuric compounds.

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15 May 2023, 4:44 pm

QuantumChemist wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

QuantumChemist wrote:

Ancient civilizations also consumed poisons. Liquid mercury was drank with meals by the Greeks and Romans. They believed it helped in digestion. .

Not just them
https://www.ancient-origins.net/weird-f ... fe-0017223

There is a reluctance to dig the first emperor's tomb (perhaps due to superstition or reverence?). I am surprised nobody has proposed LIDAR to map what lies beneath or chemical testing of soil for contaminants?

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15 May 2023, 5:39 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:

Not quite...Eurocentrism is a worldview that is centered on Western civilization or a biased view that favors it over non-Western civilizations.

It might have escaped your discerning eye but European archaeology over the past several centuries has made some notoriously bad calls and globally has a reputation for something called scientific racism where certain dogmas could not be budged even in 2023.

I'l start with Indian archaeology. The discovery by Mortimer Wheeler of the Indus Valley turned upside down a Western belief based on pathetic consensus that civilisation in India (or for that matter Western Europe) could not have existed prior to the arrival of horse driven chariot riders from the Steppes of central Europe. Almost every history text written in English about India pushed this line.

The Indian archaeological society has in the last 20 years been able launch some fantastic digs across India finding that cultural technology not only pre-dates the arrival of Indo-European languages in India but also that hinduism itself is not a creation of brutish steppe nomadic tribes. This has implications for the founding of Europe itself.

I can teach you more about the blunders of "Eurocentrism" than you ever knew.

Thanks for telling me what I already knew in third grade. Thanks for not telling me anything I dont know. Thanks for failing to refute anything I said in my post. SO.....thanks for agreeing with me! Jeeze!

Since you had nothing to say and no point to make why did you even MAKE THIS POST?

Your problem is that you're so obsessed that you project racism and eurocentrism where it isnt there. Take a chill pill.

Where have I "rely on ancient sources that align with your theories as proof and call other sources mythology because they don't align"??????

I rely on "ancient sources" that are backed up evidence.

The Norse were White folks, but I dont believe in the existence of Ice Giants in Norse mythology. Nor do I buy into Dwarka (and Indian city that existed 12 thousand years ago) because there is no evidence for either thing.

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15 May 2023, 6:24 pm

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Nor do I buy into Dwarka (and Indian city that existed 12 thousand years ago) because there is no evidence for either thing.

I keep an open mind till proven otherwise
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ds-oldest/
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15 May 2023, 6:27 pm

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Where have I "rely on ancient sources that align with your theories as proof and call other sources mythology because they don't align"??????

Oh, I wasn't referring to you here, I am talking about conventional mainstream western archaeology. I got the quote (paraphrased) from Graham Hancock.

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18 May 2023, 3:16 pm

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This has been known for some time. The early indo-Europeans consumed a suspected mushroom concoction called soma which contained psylocibin which has similar hallucinogenic properties to LSD.

On the commons dotted around the countryside where I live here in Wales, shrooms are the main crop (and I actually mean that) given the amount of sheep s**t all over the place and how windswept the areas are.

It's typical to see large organised groups of people brazenly picking mushrooms on the commons in the open next to main roads. The police just drive right by and ignore them. It's widely tolerated here and nobody has an issue with the pickers. I see individual pickers walk off with a 2 litre bottle full of them after a few hours picking and they're happy to show you their days work if you bump into them.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that mushrooms were eaten thousands of years ago and I think 10000 years or more is probable.

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18 May 2023, 3:24 pm

^maybe longer.

Not sure when the magic variety evolved, but I read that prior to plants and trees being the dominant flora on Earth that the planet was covered in giant mushrooms.

So, fungi fruit have been around a while.. way longer than people. So chances are people have been eating them for a lot longer than 10,000 years and whenever the first magic variety began popping up people (and animals) were probably eating them.

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18 May 2023, 4:22 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

This has been known for some time. The early indo-Europeans consumed a suspected mushroom concoction called soma which contained psylocibin which has similar hallucinogenic properties to LSD.

In America we have mushroom enthusiasts collect wild mushrooms in the woods to eat...just...to eat them. Not to get high. Are you sure these folks arent just doing the same? Never heard of hallucinigenic mushrooms existing in Britain before.

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18 May 2023, 4:28 pm

Shrooms pose little threat (other than to the person using)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburn ... -partners/

I think traditional pre-christian times in Britain, the village shaman collected these bright red and white cup fungi and used them to commune with the gods. I also think in the area you speak of in Wales it was was part of the traditional folkloric medicine

The sight of men collecting fungi on grassy fields harks back to earlier traditions. My only caution with joining these "harvests" is having the skill to identify lethal from non-lethal fungi (I believe immature cups might harbour high levels of toxins which can kill if taken in high quantities).

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18 May 2023, 4:39 pm

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Yeast is a fungus. And its a vital ingredient in brewing beer.

Plants (because they cant run away from predators) have been engaged in chemical warfare with predators for eons. Mainly with insects. So fungi probably do the same. Chemicals like nicotine and TCH - evolved in particular plants to mess with the insects. Sometime just to give the bugs indigestion -so they fly off the plant - and expose themselves to birds. Sometimes to directly kill the bugs. But what kills bugs sometimes just makes big two legged mammals high. And sometimes the plants evolve to...bribe the two legged primate creatures to cultivate them in return for the plant giving the humans ...more of that awesome bug poison!

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18 May 2023, 4:39 pm

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Nades wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

This has been known for some time. The early indo-Europeans consumed a suspected mushroom concoction called soma which contained psylocibin which has similar hallucinogenic properties to LSD.

Nope loads grow here, mainly those little spindly cone shaped ones. On the commons they're the most numerous mushroom by far with one every couple of meters, often in clusters and they're picked in October judging by the numbers who pop over the same month of the year. It's not unusual to see 30+ pickers within a space of half a square kilometre.

I'm assuming the wild horses and sheep provide the fertiliser for them and back 3000 years ago, they wouldn't have been anywhere near as frequent. If in a place lacking all these animals, I assume it would be a nightmare to find any. Shrooms have never really appealed to me but watching them being picked is amusing in its own right.

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18 May 2023, 4:43 pm

Liberty caps.

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