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15 Jul 2023, 11:50 am

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Social Democracy FTW:

https://www.libdems.org.uk/


I am generally not in favor of democracy. Its just a dice roll really, leftists need to realize the Trump winning the election was a democracy.

Dictatorship is worse.

Give me Donald Trump over any dictator since 1900.


Logical difficulty in this expression of preference. I offer a correction: You should state:
"Give me Donald Trump over any other dictator since 1900."
Granted, given the structure of the government up to whose helm he stepped, his dictatorial tendencies were trammeled, but this was not because he wasn't a dictatorial personality, (meaning he could not deal with any dissent or hold himself to any standard other than whatever he felt like at the moment). It was the system he was trying to work within (sometimes) and the principled persons working in his adminitration that protected us (to a degree).


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15 Jul 2023, 2:38 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Lecia_Wynter wrote:
Rossall wrote:
Social Democracy FTW:

https://www.libdems.org.uk/


I am generally not in favor of democracy. Its just a dice roll really, leftists need to realize the Trump winning the election was a democracy.

Dictatorship is worse.

Give me Donald Trump over any dictator since 1900.


Not fundamentally true. Just because you like the current democracies more, doesn't mean they are inherently better as concepts.

For example, a dictatorship could offer more freedom than a democracy. Just because dictatorships of the past haven't offered enough freedom, doesn't mean that dictatorship in-of-itself is less freedom than democracy. For example a dictatorship could be more optimized government, less bureaucracy, less government overreach and more freedom for citizens. And there could be democracies that don't have enough freedom, for example America is a democracy but doesn't offer enough freedom.



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15 Jul 2023, 2:44 pm

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Hold up. Another mandela effect? I never heard that about Italy, keep in mind I got A's in history at school...

I must be in another dimension again. Most of these dimensions seem to be s**t though.



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15 Jul 2023, 2:48 pm

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I am generally not in favor of democracy. Its just a dice roll really, leftists need to realize the Trump winning the election was a democracy.


Americans lack the intelligence and integrity to practice democracy.

The problem is there are no benevolent dictatorships. Too few pursue power for good reasons.

And no, power does not corrupt. Power reveals. When a person has the power to do what they've always wanted you see the truth: that deep down inside most people are as*holes, and those that aren't are usually naive.

We need to demand that every politician and business executive have the integrity of Captain America. With the end goal that everyone on Earth have that level of integrity. I'm not joking.


I think that's just your opinion. For instance if a dictator had objective facts that feminizing the population was good and benevolent, reduced the net suffering of society, etc. the opinion circle would just say the dictator is malicious, people are bad etc. "this is why we need democracy". Even if feminizing males or finding a way to make females give birth to more females increased the net good of society

Secondly, if you view most humans as inherently bad people, why does democracy matter to you, your species is f****d anyway



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15 Jul 2023, 2:51 pm

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But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?
Cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.


What is he supposed to drink, soft-drinks like an Amerilard?



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15 Jul 2023, 8:31 pm

It amuses me that people will defend Communism and attack Capitalism with their words while supporting Capitalism and denying Communism with their actions.

Pinko hypocrites, every one of them


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17 Jul 2023, 3:15 pm

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Marxist communism was about achieving a stateless society.

"Small government" capitalists: Communists are so stupid and evil for being autocratic statists! They want the state to run everything! And the state is always evil!
Communists: We believe the state should be abolished.
"Small government" capitalists: Are you insane?!?! We NEED the government! Anyone who thinks we can survive without government is living in a lunatic fantasy world! Government is the only thing that can save us from ourselves! Save me, State! Save us from these awful statist anarchists who want to destroy the State!

lol yeah

Something I've noticed lately, is the same people saying they want "small government" are the biggest cheerleaders for violent racist cops.



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17 Jul 2023, 3:21 pm

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
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Hold up. Another mandela effect? I never heard that about Italy, keep in mind I got A's in history at school...

I must be in another dimension again. Most of these dimensions seem to be s**t though.


You never heard that? Remember how Italy started on the axis side but after they got occupied Italy was on the allied side?

For more information, watch the final season of McHale's Navy /JK.


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18 Jul 2023, 1:25 am

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Some of the red states need a Pol Pot-type person to, ahem, clean house.


Pol Pot was such a monster even other ML dictatorships found his regime repulsive.


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18 Jul 2023, 1:41 am

i want capitalism to have a more human face. if there can be communism with a human face, there can be capitalism with a human face, and it is called "third way."



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18 Jul 2023, 2:07 am

Might be a modern day communist if you can't cope in a capitalist society, would cope even worse in a communist society but only ever mention the "sharing" communism encourages while having zero intention to contribute.

Half the people on wrong planet would end up in a Gulag along with a lot of higher functioning autistics in general. No such thing as a hidden disability back then.



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18 Jul 2023, 2:46 am

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No such thing as a hidden disability back then.


This was true regardless of the economic system one lived under back then. It's a back then issue, not a communism (or any other economic system) issue.


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18 Jul 2023, 4:13 am

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Nades wrote:
No such thing as a hidden disability back then.


This was true regardless of the economic system one lived under back then. It's a back then issue, not a communism (or any other economic system) issue.


With the limited communist nations today, it seems to be a big issue even now.

The problem is that communism depends on everyone contributing and I don't think I ever really seen a post of how someone, personally was planning to contribute in a communist or socialist state. All I ever see on WP is how people plan on personally using the newly "distributed" wealth of others.

Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.



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18 Jul 2023, 8:19 am

Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
No such thing as a hidden disability back then.


This was true regardless of the economic system one lived under back then. It's a back then issue, not a communism (or any other economic system) issue.


With the limited communist nations today, it seems to be a big issue even now.

The problem is that communism depends on everyone contributing and I don't think I ever really seen a post of how someone, personally was planning to contribute in a communist or socialist state. All I ever see on WP is how people plan on personally using the newly "distributed" wealth of others.

Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.


Consider communism of the past obsolete.

Communism is an inevitability of a robotic future. The choice is communism or death by capitalisms. Robots will take most jobs, quite literally Capitalism will result in mass extinction of most the species, except for the rich.

The choice is...
Be a communist.
b***h and moan about income inequality, low wages, capitalist monopoly, high rent, sit around for robots to take all the jobs while you study, train harder and harder to compete, everyday is Learning and Hustling when your in Capitalism. Play the Fall Guys game hoping to be #1 while everyone around you is poor, broke, unmarried and homeless with at most a GED.



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18 Jul 2023, 8:25 am

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It amuses me that people will defend Communism and attack Capitalism with their words while supporting Capitalism and denying Communism with their actions.

Pinko hypocrites, every one of them


I don't know what a Pinko even is. Marx was no fool and knew Capitalism was neccesary for a society in the beginning. In a capitalist world you have to play the capitalist game. It is wise to acquire capital so that you have more power to create the society you want, instead of letting ruthless people hoard all the money so they can continue the dystopia.



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18 Jul 2023, 8:37 am

My plans if I get richer than Elon...

1. Step 1: Create a robot workforce to alleviate all poverty on earth. Online Forums most of the population is from the Global North and Western countries, with privileges. Some of them do not realize that the majority of earths population is in poverty. So if you post that "poverty is an issue" you often get met with complacency and denial, with people saying status quo is fine and doesn't need to improve.

"there are people already trying to solve poverty" yeah SEO optimized, often religious groups that spread their dogma to poor societies. They've been at it for decades, and most of the world is still poor so their methods are ineffective. And you shouldn't have to trade enslavement to some religion made by stone age people for poverty anyway.

The robots will have Potato hardware, this will forbid a robot uprising against humanity, even if they wanted to, they would still lose in combat due to Potato hardware.

2. Immediately have UBI, but also Robots would build housing for poor and homeless. The housing would have affordable rent where people have money left over to spend on luxury.

3. Abolish late stage capitalism, but still allow some forms of capitalism. You could still sell things in markets and make profits, while not having excessive taxes on transactions. There would still be superior/inferior social hierarchies, hard workers would have more money than the lazy.

4. As a side effect society would have hardly any crime anymore, there would be less homeless pitching tents and pooping in streets also.

5. Fund science programs to figure out how to influence female pregnancy, such that more females are born on average than males. This would result in a greater chance of peace on earth, as well as greater chance of peace in the household. Fund science programs for better trans technology, to also increase the amount of females in society.