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25 Oct 2023, 6:48 am

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An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Slaughter of Innocent Israelis | Opinion
By Brad Polumbo, October 24, 2023, at 11:54 AM EDT

As the world continues to process the horrors of the October 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israeli that left 1,300 dead and thousands more injured and the horrors of the ensuing war in Gaza, young Americans are coming to vastly different conclusions about the situation than... well, anyone else. A new Harvard-Harris poll asked Americans what they think about the Hamas-Israel conflict, and the results sharply diverged along generational lines.

Overall, Americans overwhelmingly support Israel over Hamas. A whopping 84 percent of respondents told pollsters they favored Israel, while just 16 percent favored Hamas. Among older Americans over 65, an astounding 95 percent supported Israel, and just 5 percent said their sympathies lie with Hamas.

But among young people age 18 to 24, things looked quite differently.  Just 52 percent of this group said they supported Israel, while 48 percent said they supported Hamas.  Yes, that's right: Nearly half of young respondents said they side with the terrorist group that just earlier this month purposefully targeted and slaughtered innocent civilians, including women, children, and infants, in a chilling and sadistic manner.

It should go without saying -- but apparently it doesn't -- that no matter how much one sympathizes with the plight of Palestinian people, it is still wrong to slaughter concert goers and burn their bodies. It is still wrong to kill entire families huddled in their bomb shelters. And it is still wrong to murder babies.


Read the complete and unedited article  HERE 

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This may get me banned, but IN MY OPINION, the terrorist group Hamas and it supporters are getting what they deserve.  Fnord

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It feels terrible to have to coexist with people who support killers, doesn't it?



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25 Oct 2023, 7:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It feels terrible to have to coexist with people who support killers, doesn't it?


Some people need killing.


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25 Oct 2023, 7:43 am

And other people don’t.


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25 Oct 2023, 8:11 am

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Hamas receives support from the families, friends, and neighbors of its members -- the Palestinians.  Those tunnel entrances are not in the desert, but in residential areas.  At the very least, the collaborators "looked the other way" when Hamas was digging their tunnels under their homes.

In every war, collaborators are considered the Enemy.

EVERY government's military receives support from its citizens, at least in the form of tax money if nothing else. This does NOT justify the killing of civilians, whether in Israel or in Gaza.


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25 Oct 2023, 9:48 am

????.....With the State of affairs concerning how this country has presented itself in the World? but then you need to to look at the circumstances put upon our own people here ..? Huge majority of Gen Z , X people will never have the dream of owning their own home..barely able to get by with two jobs , possibly both parents working ..And prices
making things unattainable . Without making payments till they die . And media and news slanted only towards
Pro governmental versions of reality, Which these people are seeing, first hand , Which create doubt about personal security ..And these people are not blind, they live in this world of extreme disparity. And listen to further major
media broadcasts how , we are supporting these people overseas, with more extreme incongruities than they face.
How do you expect them to side with the actions , of what very possibly feels like a government , more interested in politcal Alliances .Than caring for its own people here in the USA ..Seattle, Portland , etc with huge evidence of seriously homeless hopeless folk. :( People taxed out of living a real life,that lose the fight to even pay a mortgage.
And care for their children.Successful to them might look like affording rent and car payments, And poor quality of food, that does not sustain them. Doctors whom want way too much money for inferior services. That treat symptoms NOT the cause. So it becomes a vicious cycle meant to sustain doctors MD.s and private ownership of a highly recognized AMA to support bad healthcare , ( .And insurance companies that are hardly affordable,that support this dysregulation of health. :eew:
And someone expects them to support Actions that are seeming to take away monies from their social programs.
And for every gen x or Z peeps that might be remotely successful , they see their friends they grew up with
living in bad circumstances. in large numbers , or turning to harder drugs to cope, And get addicted and become lifestylers of the drug world. So Israels plight easily appears as a War of aggression and conquest of Palestine,
One might expect their push back. 8O .
And often people living under these conditions might side with anyone who remotely appears as being against a aggressor.
Especially with people waking up to the concepts of propaganda being disseminated on a Grand scale . Upon themselves at home and the rest of the world .. :roll: "InEquities on a Grand scale will drive dissent"(Jakki) . IMHO


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25 Oct 2023, 12:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
Hamas receives support from the families, friends, and neighbors of its members -- the Palestinians.  Those tunnel entrances are not in the desert, but in residential areas.  At the very least, the collaborators "looked the other way" when Hamas was digging their tunnels under their homes.

In every war, collaborators are considered the Enemy.

Stop misusing the English language please. A collaborator helps an enemy nation against one's own nation.

Your American citizen grandparents who payed taxes to FDR to support the US war effort were not "collaborators".

But Marshal Petain who ran the puppet Vichy government of France and did the bidding of the German enemy of France was a "collaborator".

A Palestinian who reports on HAMAS to the Israelies would be a "collaborator". One who looks the other way (voluntarily or at HAMAS gunpoint) when HAMAS builds tunnels under a hospital in Gaza is no more a "collaborator" than your grandparents. The former are equivalent to Marshal Petain, the later to your grandparents.



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25 Oct 2023, 12:36 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Hamas receives support from the families, friends, and neighbors of its members -- the Palestinians.  Those tunnel entrances are not in the desert, but in residential areas.  At the very least, the collaborators "looked the other way" when Hamas was digging their tunnels under their homes.

In every war, collaborators are considered the Enemy.

Stop misusing the English language please. A collaborator helps an enemy nation against one's own nation.

Your American citizen grandparents who payed taxes to FDR to support the US war effort were not "collaborators".

But Marshal Petain who ran the puppet Vichy government of France and did the bidding of the German enemy of France was a "collaborator".

A Palestinian who reports on HAMAS to the Israelies would be a "collaborator". One who looks the other way (voluntarily or at HAMAS gunpoint) when HAMAS builds tunnels under a hospital in Gaza is no more a "collaborator" than your grandparents. The former are equivalent to Marshal Petain, the later to your grandparents.


I thought in the context of war 'collaborator' was reserved for WWII only, and it is incorrect to use it in another war context (despite it's dictionary definition).


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25 Oct 2023, 12:40 pm

>dead babies

Fake news, it's been three weeks and I've seen zero evidence that this is actually true, but this is the talking point that keeps getting thrown around by every Israel-sympathizer with a platform. This is just blood libel but for Arabs. I will condemn Hamas this very instant if -- and only if -- someone can show me definitive proof that Hamas are deliberately targeting children and/or infants.



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25 Oct 2023, 12:43 pm



Oh Dear Lord, The Youngest of Generations Seem to Be Having Difficulty Discerning "Good From Evil;"

True, Wonder How That Could Have Happened; Due Fat to CHEW ON to consider Indeed; It's True, They

Might Have Heard Then About that Unwarranted War in Iraq, Where the United States With Other Coalition

Members Destroyed the Lives of Hundred's Of Thousands of Brownish Folks Not Even Related to the Saudi

Nationals Who Rammed Our Planes

into Our Twin Towers and Killed

Around Three Thousand or So

Innocent US Folks, Who Were Not Even

Associated With The Wars in the Middle

East and the 'West' Encroaching on Their

"Sacred Cow" Lands Yet It's Not Likely That too Many

Folks Here Believe it Would Have Been Fair if 'The Other Side'

Had Blown Up ALL Those Who Supported the Unwarranted Effort

That Killed Many Innocent Civilians on the Other Side; True, It Seems

OPiNioNS are Highly Influenced By What We aRe Spoon Fed From Birth;

And YeS, in Adulthood too;

As That Bull CR8P About Iraq

Immediately Went Splat on my

Personal And Intuitive Intelligence Screening

For Truth and Lies; Yet True, i Was Like WTF, Can't

Anyone Else Around me in the Same Place Matt Gaetz

Represents Now Figure Out This Ruse At the Bottom of the Top to Achieve Their

Own Personal Selfish Desires, No matter Who Dies at the Hand of True Evil that

Creates

Unwarranted

Wars And Kills

Innocent Civilians Below,

No Matter How 'Surgically

Decapitated' From Skies Above

By Birds of Mass Killing Machines;

Dear Lord, This 'Sacred Cow' Wasn't Developed

in Just This One Generation; True, there Was 'Numbers 31'

Where The Lord Sacred Cow Spake to the Moses Sacred Cow

Authorizing The Killing of Everyone in the Other Warring Tribe Except For

32,000 or So Close to Puberty Virgins For Sex Slaves to Rape As they Please;

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of Nature;

More Specifically,

The Real Evil of Human Nature

That Brings the Worst of Nightmares

To Fruition; And Then Came That DaVinci Artistically

Represented Effete Looking Dude With A Beard and Long Hair Reported

To Suggest God Yes Gentile, Jew, Servant or Free, And Even Woman

And Or Man No More; Meaning Of Course, LoVE iN Peace is
'The Color of Water,' It Has No Name Indeed It is a God of

LoVE iN Peace

God Yes For Real;

The Essence Pure

That Flows Within

That Actually Allows Us

To See All the 'Boards in Our Eyes'

That Come From 'An Eye For An Eye'

When One Eye Becomes Multitudes of

Blind Human Beings Even More...

It's Not Enough to Suggest one

Reads the 'Sermon on the Mount'

And Believes in it And Does Nothing

Still Yet Old Testament And Revelation Beliefs...

Somewhere in the Tween, There Was One Good Man Who Got Lost Again...

Dear Lord, A Demagogue Ruled as A Rapist by A Jury Of His Peers, Ruling
Closest Minion Lawyers Telling Lies to Attempt to OverThrow a Representative Democracy

Yet His Ship Is Slowly And Surely Sinking;

And 'His Rats' Have Given UP the Ship;

Jumping off into Deep WaterS iNDeeD

As the Most Despicable

Demagogue Leader the

United States Has Ever Witnessed Exists;

And It's True That Youngest Generation is

Witnessing All of this Too as That Son of Whatever

is Still in the Lead in the Polls to Become Leader Again;

Do Ya Really Expect the Youngest Generation to Believe in Anything at all...

Colored By This World

Of Evil Politics/Religion;

If they Do, i Guess Miracles

Really Do Happen Before All Is Sunk;

Perhaps They Are Doing Their best to Lift
All the Veils of Ignorance And Start Fresh...

Now
That
Will Be
A 'Real Greek Apocalypse'
Worth Witnessing Indeed...

Chances Are They too Will

Make MiStakes ALong 'The Way'...

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Florida in a Real Garden of Eden With All

Of Nature Wild and Free in Balance For All of
What's Truly Great

About Nature

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Peace

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for
US...

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25 Oct 2023, 3:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
There are no good guys or bad guys in this situation. Both sides are horrible and evil and I hate them all. Religion is horrible and evil. And the only real difference between humans and mentally defective chimpanzees is that the chimps have slightly more body hair


Nah, for as nasty as humans are chimps make humans seem like bonobos by comparison.


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Both humans and chimps are patriarchal species (whether by nature or nurture, doesn't matter), both are warring expansionist species; while the bonobos stayed in one tiny geographical area.

If humans were really more bonobo-like than chimp-like, we would have probably remained in a tiny population somewhere in Africa. Probably, some climate change forced us to expand.

It's also interesting to see that many homo species diseappeared around the same time the Homo Sapiens arrived to their areas, like the Neatherdals, Denisovans and the Hobbits. Knowing how the more recent human empires treated other humans in the lands they conquered, it wouldn't be too shocking to assume that earlier humans may had done the same to other homo species at first contact.


https://www.sciencealert.com/did-homo-s ... her-humans


I'm not saying humans are more like bonobos overall, only that humans are far more prone to demonstrate benevolence towards strangers than chimps.

Chimps are similar to us, minus those sorts of drives.


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25 Oct 2023, 3:24 pm

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I will condemn Hamas this very instant if -- and only if -- someone can show me definitive proof that Hamas are deliberately targeting children and/or infants.


Isn't targetting innocent civilians enough for you to condemn anyone?


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25 Oct 2023, 3:26 pm

Hamas is evil. There's no doubt in my mind about that. It doesn't make what Israel's doing right, though.


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25 Oct 2023, 4:06 pm

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>dead babies

Fake news, it's been three weeks and I've seen zero evidence that this is actually true, but this is the talking point that keeps getting thrown around by every Israel-sympathizer with a platform. This is just blood libel but for Arabs. I will condemn Hamas this very instant if -- and only if -- someone can show me definitive proof that Hamas are deliberately targeting children and/or infants.

Yes, the "beheading babies" claim turned out to be questionable at best.

But Hamas did attack a music festival, of all things, and did kill at least 200 people there. Why? Doesn't seem to me like a legitimate military target.

See What We Know About Three Widespread Israel-Hamas War Claims.


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25 Oct 2023, 4:15 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It feels terrible to have to coexist with people who support killers, doesn't it?


Some people need killing.



Not children and journalists for sure.



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25 Oct 2023, 4:17 pm

Personally, there is enough wrong on both sides that both sides deserve extinction

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25 Oct 2023, 8:00 pm

Barchan wrote:
>dead babies

Fake news, it's been three weeks and I've seen zero evidence that this is actually true, but this is the talking point that keeps getting thrown around by every Israel-sympathizer with a platform. This is just blood libel but for Arabs. I will condemn Hamas this very instant if -- and only if -- someone can show me definitive proof that Hamas are deliberately targeting children and/or infants.


As to your ridiculous demand:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ck/675735/

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This afternoon, at a military base north of Tel Aviv, the Israel Defense Forces held a grisly matinee screening of 43 minutes of raw footage from Hamas’s October 7 attack. Members of the press were invited, but cameras were not allowed. Hamas had the opposite policy on cameras during the attack, which it documented gleefully with its fighters’ body cams and mobile phones. Some of the clips had been circulating already on social media in truncated or expurgated form, with the footage decorously stopped just before beheadings and moments of death. After having seen them both in raw and trimmed forms, I can endorse the decision to trim those clips. I certainly hope I never see any of the extra footage again.

It was, as IDF Major General Mickey Edelstein told the press afterward, “a very sad movie.” Men, women, and children are shot, blown up, hunted, tortured, burned, and generally murdered in any horrible manner you could predict, and some that you might not. The terrorists surround a Thai man they have shot in the gut, then bicker about what to do next. (About 30,000 Thais live in Israel, many of them farmworkers.) “Give me a knife!” one Hamas terrorist shouts. Instead he finds a garden hoe, and he swings at the man’s throat, taking thwack after thwack.

The audience gasped. I heard someone heave a little at another scene, this one showing a father and his young sons, surprised in their pajamas. A terrorist throws a grenade into their hiding place, and the father is killed. The boys are covered in blood, and one appears to have lost an eye. They go to their kitchen and cry for their mother. One of the boys howls, “Why am I alive?” and “Daddy, Daddy.” One says, “I think we are going to die.” The terrorist who killed their father comes in, and while they weep, he raids their fridge. “Water, water,” he says. The spokesman was unable to say whether the children survived.

The videos show pure, predatory sadism; no effort to spare those who pose no threat; and an eagerness to kill nearly matched by eagerness to disfigure the bodies of the victims. In several clips, the Hamas killers fire shots into the heads of people who are already dead. They count corpses, taking their time, and then shoot them again. Some of the clips I had not previously seen simply show the victims in a state of terror as they wait to be murdered, or covered with bits of their friends and loved ones as they are loaded into trucks and brought to Gaza as hostages. There was no footage of rape, although there was footage of young women huddling in fear and then being executed in a leisurely manner.

Edelstein said that the IDF chose to show the footage out of necessity. It is not every day that snuff films of Jews are shown at an IDF screening hall. (The original site of the screening was a commercial theater, which would have been even worse.) “What we shared with you,” Edelstein said, searching for words, “you should know it.” And he said he struggled to understand how some journalists could present the IDF and Hamas as comparable. This footage would refute that false equivalence.

“We are not looking for kids to kill them,” he said. “We have to share it with you so no one will have an idea that someone is equal to another.”

To me the most disturbing section was not visual at all. Like the clip of the father and his boys hunted in their pajamas, it was upsetting in part because it showed a relationship between parent and child. The clip is just a phone call—placed by a terrorist to his family back in Gaza. He tells his father that he is calling from a Jewish woman’s phone. (The phone recorded the call.) He tells his father that his son is now a “hero” and that “I killed 10 Jews with my own hands.” And he tells his family, about a dozen times, that they should open up WhatsApp on his phone, because he has sent photographs to prove what he has done. “Put on Mom!” he says. “Your son is a hero!”

His parents, I noticed, are not nearly as enthusiastic as he is. I believe that the mom says “praise be to God” at one point, which could be gratitude for her son’s crimes or pure reflex, indicating her loss for words to match her son’s unspeakable acts. They do not question what their son has done; they do not scold him. They tell him to come back to Gaza. They fear for his safety. He says, amid rounds of “Allahu akbar,” that he intends “victory or martyrdom”—which the parents must understand means that he will never come home. From their muted replies I wonder whether they also understand that even if he did come home, he would do so as a disgusting and degraded creature, and that it might be better for him not to.


The photos and videos, many of them uploaded by Hamas themselves, are readily available if you can stomach them, I'll not be providing any links.


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